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Old 07-21-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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Points to consider:

- This deal is actually a huge loss for Iran, not the world. For years, they went with a "no negotiations!" policy; and yet now they are stuck negotiating. Worse for them, by opening their markets, their younger, more normal citizens will no longer be focused purely on survival and will now have time and energy to do other things... such as remove their lunatic leaders from power.

- When, exactly, in the history of the modern world has unending sanctions accomplished anything other than starving the average citizens of the target nation while leaving the tyrant in power with what few supplies remain? Let's look at history:

-- Sanctions, effectively, against Germany lead directly to the rise of Nazism. Good play there... not.
-- Sanctions against Cuba have produced absolutely nothing in 50+ years. The tyrant is still in charge, and the people are all dirt poor. Big accomplishment.
-- Sanctions against North Korea helped turn it into an insane personality cult-driven hell-hole, with the tyrant's grip absolute and his brainwashing of his starving citizens perfected as they hate the rest of the world for isolating them.
-- Sanctions against Iran have accomplished absolutely nothing in decades.
-- Sanctions against various other crumbling, broken, and ruined nations have also failed - the list is endless, and I can't think of a single case where sanctions really affected any meaningful change on their own.

So, while one may - rightfully - hate the Iranian leaders, hating their average people is just childish, and thinking that somehow sanctions will work "this time" when it hasn't done anything in decades except galvanize their leadership is just absurd. The reality is that the Iranian PEOPLE won - their TYRANTS lost.
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Old 07-21-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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^^ What's scary is the republican leaders are saying they'll take military action on day 1. I wonder why conservatives are in such a hurry to go into another war.
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Old 07-21-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: CO
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I always wonder what the reaction would have been if a democratic president bribed terrorists with arms for the release of hostages in not one but two different countries.
Deflection noted.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:14 PM
 
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...Will you eat your hat if this deal turns out to work in our favor?
When you start eating your hat because Obama's promise that "you can keep your health plan" and "you can keep your doctor" turned out not to be true.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:16 PM
 
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Sour grapes still haven't gotten old, eh?
You and Old Gringo think I am angry.

Nope, just making an objective observation.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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In any deal, you have to ask what each side is getting.

Iran gets $150 billion, sanctions lifted, the right to keep centrifuges and continue uranium enrichment, the right to continue chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America," the right to continue sponsoring terrorist acts against Americans, the right to develop long range missiles, the right to continue destablizing countries like Yemen and Lebanon, the right to continue its proxy wars via Hezbollah and Hamas, and of course the right to continue its extensive human rights violations against gays, women, etc.

America gets --- wait for it, wait for it.

Hmm.

Uhhhhhhh.

America gets exactly nothing.

Great deal, libs and Obama!
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:45 AM
 
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Why should it bother me? Why would it be an anathema?

Iran is no threat to this country regardless. So why should I fear a nuclear armed Iran.
How do you know that?

Iran starts popping nukes at Israel and Israel responds and you think that's no threat.
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Old 07-22-2015, 02:11 AM
 
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How do you know that?

Iran starts popping nukes at Israel and Israel responds and you think that's no threat.
Maybe Israel should have never pursued a nuclear weapon. That changed the balance of power in the region.
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Old 07-22-2015, 02:14 AM
 
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This is about as important as the restaurant owner telling the lady to shut her kid up. A bunch of ado about nothing.
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Old 07-22-2015, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Conservatives and the conservative states want to go to war because their jobs and economies are dependent on the Federal money spent in their states to build the weapons of war. Without this corporate welfare many of these states would have to depend on selling Gasohol or cornbread to the rest of us.

I think this deal with IRAN is a good deal for everyone. Iran gets to flood the word market with crude oil and we do not have to start another war just so we can loose another one at great expense to some of us and great profit for a few.
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