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Old 07-21-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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With Obama on pace to see notably more private sector jobs added than Reagan, and way more than either Bush, where do you get this idea he's killing jobs?

We're adding more than 200,000 a month. The only sector jobs are in decline is in government, but I suspect that's a positive for many on here
I think a reasonable complaint really is that far too many of the added jobs are low paying. Its a real issue, and I dont know how a president could solve it.
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Old 07-21-2015, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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With Obama on pace to see more private sector jobs added than Reagan in his second term, and way more than either Bush did, where do you get this idea he's killing jobs?

We're adding more than 200,000 a month. The only sector jobs are in decline is in government, but I suspect that's a positive for you.

I just don't understand where your beliefs come from in light of the known facts.
Tell that to the record number of kids living in poverty.

More children living in poverty now than during recession

And the thousands of people who suffer from increased cost of living due to Obama's programs.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I think a reasonable complaint really is that far too many of the added jobs are low paying. Its a real issue, and I dont know how a president could solve it.
He could quit adding costs to all of us. He could quit adding regulations that stifle new business and add to our cost of living.

And much more.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:16 PM
 
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Tell that to the record number of kids living in poverty.

More children living in poverty now than during recession

And the thousands of people who suffer from increased cost of living due to Obama's programs.
It takes time to recover from any major recession and according to the article that poverty rate may be back down now:
"However, the numbers are from 2013, and Speer said the outcome may be different now that the unemployment rate has lowered to 5.3%; it was 7.5% in June 2013."

Also, the article you posted listed liberal states as having the best child welfare: Minnesota followed by New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Iowa, and Vermont,

They attribute the high child well being in Minnesota to MinnesotaCare, which predates the ACA and provides subsidized healthcare to low income families. The state also has social service programs to address minimum wage and childcare.

Based on that evidence, it doesn't sound like the problem is based on what you believe it to be. Otherwise, states with minimal government services and regulations would have the fewest children in poverty.

That's the beauty of our states as policy laboratories model.
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Welfare isn't the solution and will never pull people out of poverty. Jobs is the solution. Get government out of the way and the economy will rebound with jobs.
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Especially black children. His job killing programs have led us to a huge increase in poverty among children.
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Ever since President Obama took office, the poverty rate among children has soared to 22 percent, with three million more children living in poor conditions, according to an authoritative new report released Tuesday.

The child poverty rate among African Americans (39 percent) was more than double the rate for non-Hispanic whites (14 percent) in 2013.

Report: 3 million more children in poverty under Obama, 22% of all kids | Washington Examiner

We'd ALL be so much better off today if Dubya hadn't trashed the economy 8 years ago.

Carry on.

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Old 07-22-2015, 12:27 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Hundreds of thousands of illegals are keeping wages low and legal residents unemployed or underemployed.
And WHERE is Congress while this goes on? You know, the group that initiates legislation? Make law that gives the heads of the companies who hire those illegals Federal prison time and watch how quickly things change.

Or would that bite too many hands that feed them?

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Old 07-22-2015, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Now, an honest post would have pointed out that when young Obama took over, he inherited an economy in free fall, losing more than 700,000 jobs a month.

Today, the economy is adding over 200,000 jobs per month (private sector is adding millions of jobs, government sector losing hundreds of thousands annually).

So, the more apt discussion would be why are these jobs not reaching the least educated and youngest.

Now, that is a discussion worth having.

One word.

Illegals.


Links to your freefall scenario?
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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By any measure, if your team were in charge you would be bragging endlessly about how the economy is succeeding. Whether using U6 or U3 measurements, private sector is booming and public sector jobs are declining. That should make you happy.

The last bastion of rage in this lowest participation rate talking point that extremists keep using is due 2/3 to retiring baby boomers and those liberated from a job they were only keeping for the healthcare.

The other side is many young people are staying in school longer so delaying entry into the workforce.

Wages are actually increasing but there's no reason to believe any other president would have done better. Romney had promised to get UE down to over 6% by next year, way behind Obama's schedule.

Really the only negative attributable to Obama is that about 1/3 of the part time jobs being created are because of Obamacare.

I get it. You thought he would destroy this country and your pride won't let you release that mistaken view. But let your ego go and appreciate a successful presidency, regardless of your ideology. Our strength as a nation is the diverse array of political tools we can use to adjust and adapt.
I wonder why it is that Obama-worshipping apologists and cult members can't look at Americans as Americans. Instead it's "teams" and "sides." I suppose just carrying on the divisiveness of their apparently flawless leader.
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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....the president is not all powerful.
Well someone needs to tell that to Obama.
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