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Old 03-04-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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It is built in. President could probably stop it but he would have to do something. Otherwise the delegation is automatic. That is the nature of 301 and 302.
It's not just "built in," Executive Order 13526 expressly delegates that authority to the Department Secretaries.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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No, the Secretary does not deem what is and what is not classified in her department...

Classification of what is classified is the same throughout the government, what is classified secret in the Army will still be classified secret in the Navy, Air Force, and Marines and what is secret in the Secretary of States hands will still be secret in my hands, the presidents hands, and the 4 star generals hands...no if's ands or butts about it.., sorry but the way you say it works is just wrong and a lie...period...end of story on that...
You totally do not understand what it means for the Department Secretaries to be Original Classification Authorities.


They explicitly (by Executive Order) do have the authority to determine the classification of material within their own Departments, and that explicitly includes the authority to re-classify information that might have been classified by other Department Secretaries.


The Secretary of State outranks every person in uniform, btw, and has classification authority above every person in uniform.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Even if that were true (which it's not), it still does not give her authority to declassify ANY information as she sees fit. She does not have that express authority because it's not within the purview of her position. The Secretary of State is not the gatekeeper of what's classified and not classified. There non-arbitrary, tangible and validated methods on what makes something classified, it's not an "opinion" or an arbitrary process determined by what an individual thinks. The various department heads have to follow the protocol and policies for the handling, disseminating and processing classified and sensitive information and these process are backed by policies, laws and regulations.
The State Department has done exactly that since forever. I've had TOP SECRET Defense Department information that I myself developed released by the State Department at their own discretion--and that was 20 years ago.


Every Department Secretary is the co-equal gatekeeper of what is classified and not classified...they are all co-equal Original Classification Authorities.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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This E-mail nonsense will not sink Hillary before the Trump University Fraud case will jail The Donald.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Sorry, but as I have 21+ years in the Army, along with that I have 6+ years working a contractor for the Government, I know what is and what is not considered classified, simple as that.

Your failure to know the difference is not my fault, or are you saying that what is deemed "secret" in the Army in not deemed "secret" in the Navy, is that what you are saying...

Sorry, that's just stupid, no matter how you look at it..."secret" is "secret" simple as that!

The Army and the Navy are in the same Department. You know that, right?

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FOUO is also classified...

Wrong. Utterly wrong. In fact, actually "go to prison" wrong, if you're caught and convicted of actually handling FOUO as classified material in violation of the FOIA. If you deny FOIA release of FOUO information as "classified" you will be prosecuted.


You may have handled classified information, but you didn't learn how, when, and why it became classified.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Her aid just got immunity to testify against her so , yes, we will see. But the establishment seems intent on either having a Bush or a Clinton answering to them and it won't be a Bush, barring a miracle or a brokered convention.
We're all awaiting the indictments that the right has been saying were coming for years now. Not just on the current investigation, but all of the others going all the way back to Robert Fiske and Ken Starr.

Remember him? Maybe you're too young.

AllPolitics - Players - Kenneth W. Starr

That last sentence in the linked article pretty much says it all.

And after all, Starr only wasted about $70 million with his pointless "investigation" that resulted in... nothing.

Kenneth Starr’s $70 million bag of garbage - Salon.com

We've all been down this road with the GOP headhunters vs the Clintons for decades now. There's absolutely no indication that the email "scandal" will be anything more than an empty net. Again.
Just like all the others.

But the Pubs keep hoping and praying that something will turn up. They're slow learners.

More than that, they're scared.

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Old 03-04-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Liberal Writer: "Nearly Inevitable Email Scandal will Sink Hillary."

no never happen!! to many air heads will keep her floating & bobbing right onto the white house..
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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Default "Nearly Inevitable Email Scandal will Sink Hillary."

Hillary is slinking.
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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Unfortunately for Hillary, the "hiding" is the illegal activity - what she hid, whether illegal or merely embarrassing, is irrelevant.
" what she hid, whether illegal or merely embarrassing, is irrelevant."

Your LACK of the law pertaining to the handling of classified documents is noted!
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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No matter, there will be 9 Congressional investigations so that GOP can badger her on this email thinggie. Just think of endless, intense confrontations between GOP Presidential candidates in Congress versus Hillary!! Between this and Mr. Trump, it will be an entertaining election cycle.

Mick
Your LACK of knowledge of DEM Hearings is noted.

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