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Old 08-17-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How2 did any of those things listed lead to a recession?
Well when you live in a bubble, everything is great until that bubble bursts. We got to see the effect of what happens when the Bush Bubble bursts and it wasn't pretty for this country. I am not going to tell you how the recession happened because if you are unaware now, then you will never bother to know.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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How did any of those things listed lead to a recession?
It's called a bubble. When the bubble rose, so did tax revenues.
When the bubble collapsed, so did tax revenues.

Ken
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Well when you live in a bubble, everything is great until that bubble bursts. We got to see the effect of what happens when the Bush Bubble bursts and it wasn't pretty for this country. I am not going to tell you how the recession happened because if you are unaware now, then you will never bother to know.
Yeah the assertion that tax cuts CAUSED the revenue increase is tenuous at best. The fact is, all other things being equal, tax revenues will tend to rise no matter what - for the simple reason that as the U.S. grows so does the amount of economic activity because there are more people buying things.
Obama RAISED taxes by letting the Bush tax cuts expire - and revenue STILL went up.
The often-cited GOP contention that lowering taxes raises revenue and raising taxes lowers revenue just doesn't hold up when compared to the facts of what ACTUALLY HAPPENED.


Ken
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Which one of these presidents had to deal with the worst recession since the Great Depression?

Also, do you have a link for where this data came from?


Reagan!

And it only took him one year to fix it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W977W0Pmxc4
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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I enjoy seeing Bush apologist gymnastics.

Almost as enjoyable as Obama can do no wrong delusionists.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Reagan!

And it only took him one year to fix it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W977W0Pmxc4
Yeah, that recession was much smaller than the one Obama had to deal with, but nice try.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Actually he has done a pretty good job in office fixing the mess Bush left without the help of the GOP. Though don't blame Obama or us for the right wingers putting up such a weak GOP candidate in 2012.
I wouldn't call placing a record number of people on the government assistance and increasing poverty a "good job". And let's not forget that the US lost its credit rating for the first time ever under Obama. Great job!
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:23 PM
 
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And it was nothing compared to what Obama had to clean up after Baby Bush.


Actually, Clinton was responsible for that last recession, but you already knew that.


As for Obama, he didn't have to deal with out of control inflation.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Well when you live in a bubble, everything is great until that bubble bursts. We got to see the effect of what happens when the Bush Bubble bursts and it wasn't pretty for this country. I am not going to tell you how the recession happened because if you are unaware now, then you will never bother to know.
Nice evasion of the question. Tax cuts do not lead to recessions. Even Lord Keynes could have told you that.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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Reagan DID have a mess to clean up and it SHOWED in his economic numbers (and his poll numbers for that matter) - in that regard he and Obama have a great deal in common. I voted for Reagan TWICE and have fond memories of his years, but the fact is those "good years" for Reagan were really only the last year to year and a half of his 2nd term. His entire first term and more than half of the second featured an economy that SUCKED. His UE rate peak was higher than Obamas and didn't get down to a "decent" (ie under 6%) level until September of 1987 (until the last 16 months of his Presidency). In that regard Obama has done marginally better.
The truth is the LOWEST the UE rate got under Reagan (even his best months - ie the last few) is exactly what it's been under Obama during the last 2 months (June & July 2015). If the UE rate drops even 1 more tenth of a point (and that's almost certain to happen given the trend) Obama will have presided over a lower UE rate than Reagan EVER achieved.

Unemployment Rate - US | Portal Seven

Reagan is remembered fondly because he ended on a "high note" - and that makes all the difference in the world.
Same will be true of Obama.

Ken


Do you believe the current unemployment rate is 5.3%?
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