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Old 08-18-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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And how are we going to pay down such a massive debt without cutting our defensive spending or raising taxes, neither of which are negotiable to the conservatives. Whatever supposed savings from reducing fraud or waste in government benefits wouldn't help too much. Any concrete ideas (i.e, not just let's-stimulate-the-economy stuff)?

Remember too that the debt created under the specific policies of Obama is less than $1 trillion, but things like the stimulus which was necessary to stem a Great Depression, Bush tax cuts (and continuation), military spending in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., have added a lot more to the national debt.

Mick
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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Libs-

What debt level is unacceptable?

$20 trillion?

$50 trillion?

$100 trillion?

$200 trillion?

100% of GDP?

150% of GDP?

200% of GDP?

500% of GDP?

Or is there no amount of debt that is unacceptable? What happens if the interest (not principle on debt) exceeds 50% of annual revenues? 75%?

Debt could be reduced by issuing "debt free notes" so that the amount of circulating currency is not reduced, thus avoiding a depression/recesssion. However, this would require a partial dismantling of the Federal Reserve current policy (it will never happen).
Why do you ask this question in an accusatory tone to Liberals?
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: DC
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And how are we going to pay down such a massive debt without cutting our defensive spending or raising taxes, neither of which are negotiable to the conservatives. Whatever supposed savings from reducing fraud or waste in government benefits wouldn't help too much. Any concrete ideas (i.e, not just let's-stimulate-the-economy stuff)?

Remember too that the debt created under the specific policies of Obama is less than $1 trillion, but things like the stimulus which was necessary to stem a Great Depression, Bush tax cuts (and continuation), military spending in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., have added a lot more to the national debt.

Mick
We can cut defense spending in half and still spend more than any other country on the planet.
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Libs-

What debt level is unacceptable?

$20 trillion?

$50 trillion?

$100 trillion?

$200 trillion?

100% of GDP?

150% of GDP?

200% of GDP?

500% of GDP?

Or is there no amount of debt that is unacceptable? What happens if the interest (not principle on debt) exceeds 50% of annual revenues? 75%?

Debt could be reduced by issuing "debt free notes" so that the amount of circulating currency is not reduced, thus avoiding a depression/recesssion. However, this would require a partial dismantling of the Federal Reserve current policy (it will never happen).
Keep in mind that not so long ago, running up the fiscal operating debt to a mere $8 trillion was considered "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic."

Running up the debt is only unacceptable when a Republican is the president.
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That's really a question for the Republican lawmakers who vote for spending but not for the taxes to pay the bill. With our low interest rates, debt service really isn't a problem. It consumes about 7% of the budget.
True. It is amazing so many have no idea how this country works.
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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And how are we going to pay down such a massive debt without cutting our defensive spending or raising taxes, neither of which are negotiable to the conservatives. Whatever supposed savings from reducing fraud or waste in government benefits wouldn't help too much. Any concrete ideas (i.e, not just let's-stimulate-the-economy stuff)?

Remember too that the debt created under the specific policies of Obama is less than $1 trillion, but things like the stimulus which was necessary to stem a Great Depression, Bush tax cuts (and continuation), military spending in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., have added a lot more to the national debt.

Mick
How about we back off from this notion of the federal government pretending it's a nanny state, returns powers back to the states, and starts concentrating on the obligations laid out within the US Constitution?
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:39 AM
 
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And how are we going to pay down such a massive debt without cutting our defensive spending or raising taxes, neither of which are negotiable to the conservatives. Whatever supposed savings from reducing fraud or waste in government benefits wouldn't help too much. Any concrete ideas (i.e, not just let's-stimulate-the-economy stuff)?

Remember too that the debt created under the specific policies of Obama is less than $1 trillion, but things like the stimulus which was necessary to stem a Great Depression, Bush tax cuts (and continuation), military spending in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., have added a lot more to the national debt.

Mick
Ah yes,,,,,"it's Bush's fault"....
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:40 AM
 
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And how are we going to pay down such a massive debt without cutting our defensive spending or raising taxes, neither of which are negotiable to the conservatives. Whatever supposed savings from reducing fraud or waste in government benefits wouldn't help too much. Any concrete ideas (i.e, not just let's-stimulate-the-economy stuff)?
Cutting the growth of spending, which is how it happened during Clinton...
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Remember too that the debt created under the specific policies of Obama is less than $1 trillion,
Bull ****..
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but things like the stimulus which was necessary to stem a Great Depression,
Removing money from the economy so it can be put back in, results in a net ZERO....
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Bush tax cuts (and continuation),
more bull crap.. the tax cuts increased revenues, just like they did under Clinton..
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military spending in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., have added a lot more to the national debt.
" a lot more"..

bull crap..

stimulus bill $1T
ACA $1.5 T
$500B porkulus bill

and more..
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Old 08-18-2015, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Liberals: What debt level is unacceptable?

Here's one:

The Iraq War Could Cost More Than $6 Trillion - Business Insider

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Old 08-18-2015, 08:42 AM
 
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That's really a question for the Republican lawmakers who vote for spending but not for the taxes to pay the bill. With our low interest rates, debt service really isn't a problem. It consumes about 7% of the budget.
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True. It is amazing so many have no idea how this country works.
A complete idiot would believe that interest rates are going to remain low forever...

The fact that we are financing most of our debt using short term borrowing should be a huge concern. What happens when interest rates climb to say 10%, and we have to spend $1T - $2T in interest alone?
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