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Old 09-19-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
You can't stabilize something that is doomed to fail from the start. Don't lower standards, don't make little to no down payment loans, boom/bust avoided.
Would you bar private entities from using low standards? Would you bar private entities from lending money with no money down by the borrower?
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I've already pointed out the fact that 1 in 3 mortgages in 2006 were 3 percent down or less. Why did they sky rocket after the American Down Payment Act of 2003?
They've been gaining share ever since Fannie Mae pioneered them in the 1990s. Who wouldn't take advantage of a 3%-down or less loan when Franklin Raines said the Fannie Mae high LTV loans would be available to ALL who qualified for a mortgage?

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The government under Clinton didn't do nearly the damage as what happened when Bush was in office. Bush himself, encouraged it.
Not true, at all. Home ownership expanded MUCH more under Clinton. More homeownership = more loans.

Furthermore, when 50% of the loans the largest mortgage funding providers buy have to be made to low-income, tarnished credit, and/or redlined area homebuyers, what do you think is going to happen?
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Not true, at all. Home ownership expanded MUCH more under Clinton. More homeownership = more loans.

Furthermore, when 50% of the loans the largest mortgage funding providers buy have to be made to low-income, tarnished credit, and/or redlined area homebuyers, what do you think is going to happen?
Typical informedconsent logic...

If more home ownership occurred under Clinton... Then why did the bubble burst occur near the end of Bush Jr's second term?

You are missing something in your failed logic in your partisan attempt to blame everything on the government and democrats. Most of the toxic loans occurred under bush jr despite homeownership being greater under clinton
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If more home ownership occurred under Clinton... Then why did the bubble burst occur near the end of Bush Jr's second term?
People stopped paying their mortgages. In much higher percentages, it was those who never should have been given a loan to buy a house to begin with. And the GSEs KNEW that, because they had prior experience with the exact same thing:
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"Among the most controversial of the products is a 3%-down loan that caused an uproar within Fannie Mae when it was introduced in the mid-1990s. Some senior executives, including the company's chief credit officer at the time, were opposed to the loans, in large part because a Fannie Mae experiment with 5%-down loans in Texas in the early 1980s was disastrous, with one in four borrowers defaulting.

Robert Levin, a Fannie Mae executive vice president who helped pioneer the 3%-down loans, recalls angry phone calls from regional executives who feared the loans were too risky. "People were saying, 'What are you doing? Nobody has ever been successful at this in the history of mankind!'"
Why Calls Are Escalating to Clip Fannie Mae's, Freddie Mac's Wings - WSJ
July 14, 2000

How very prescient.
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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People stopped paying their mortgages. In much higher percentages, it was those who never should have been given a loan to buy a house to begin with. And the GSEs KNEW that, because they had prior experience with the exact same thing:

Why Calls Are Escalating to Clip Fannie Mae's, Freddie Mac's Wings - WSJ
July 14, 2000

How very prescient.
You can copy and paste all you want, but you're still not getting it. Even your like minded poster isn't buying what you're selling
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Would you bar private entities from using low standards? Would you bar private entities from lending money with no money down by the borrower?
I don't own that business, why in the world would I have a say so?
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They've been gaining share ever since Fannie Mae pioneered them in the 1990s. Who wouldn't take advantage of a 3%-down or less loan when Franklin Raines said the Fannie Mae high LTV loans would be available to ALL who qualified for a mortgage?

Not true, at all. Home ownership expanded MUCH more under Clinton. More homeownership = more loans.
More loans were made under Bush than Clinton, you brought that up.
You still haven't shown proof of the amount of little to no down payment loans that were made under Clinton. I've given a few examples of the incredible growth of those type of loans under Bush. Like I said it got legs under Clinton and got on steroids under Bush.

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Furthermore, when 50% of the loans the largest mortgage funding providers buy have to be made to low-income, tarnished credit, and/or redlined area homebuyers, what do you think is going to happen?
Your preaching to the choir. First payments were missed, that wasn't seen before.
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:39 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I don't own that business why in the world would I have a say so?
It was a thought experiment.
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It was a thought experiment.
Can I think with other peoples money?
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Furthermore, when 50% of the loans the largest mortgage funding providers buy have to be made to low-income, tarnished credit, and/or redlined area homebuyers, what do you think is going to happen?
Maybe nothing major, but we will never because of how the private sector ended up packaging and selling the loans, which greatly accelerated under president bush jr.
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