Why do people believe the "Social Contract Theory"? (lawyer, how much)

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Businesses would know thru contractual law and voluntary associations.

Bill is a roofer. Tom is a plumber. Ed is an optometrist. Veronica owns a hair saloon.

They form a voluntary association saying anyone who steals doesn't get their services.

Jeff breaks into Veronica's hair saloon and steals all the money and supplies.

Veronica, per contract clause, informs the others of the incident.

Jeff is now SOL with those businesses.

Right now we live in the lazy statist world where people don't want to take personal responsibility. If you don't, good luck forming contracts.

That arrangement seems to scale pretty poorly.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

The state protects criminals from the actions of fellow citizens by forcing us to serve the criminals.

That's a new one on me. Is there any case law?

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

That arrangement seems to scale pretty poorly.

You could cede your rights as you see fit in a free society.

If you want to continue being a subject in an involuntary state no one is stopping you. The only difference would be if you or your association tried to iniatiate force on another that party could kill you and no one would care. You'd have no recourse.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

That's a new one on me. Is there any case law?

The state tells you how/when/where you can sell the fruits of your labor.

Hours of operation, zoning, quantity limits, price controls, etc.

The entire system in itself dictates how to do business not only with those a person may view as a criminal but the entire population.

[ChiGeekGuest]

Are there any libertarian (or otherwise) voluntary associations? There wouldn't be anything preventing folks from forming these within the current system, would there?

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

You could cede your rights as you see fit in a free society.

If you want to continue being a subject in an involuntary state no one is stopping you. The only difference would be if you or your association tried to iniatiate force on another that party could kill you and no one would care. You'd have no recourse.

I'm not sure how this addresses the point of scaling the system of ostracizing criminals, once you get beyond a few thousand individuals who know each other by name or reputation. You want to run a background check?

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

The entire system in itself dictates how to do business not only with those a person may view as a criminal but the entire population.

No examples of laws specifically forcing you to do business with those you view as criminals?

[Supachai]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Birth. Human born free, free from social contract.

Yes, when a human child is born, he is left in the woods where he is free to roam and fend for himself, much like a reptilian born from an egg. We are all born free and have no obligations to anyone else. How can people not understand this? Stupid statists.

[Pac_5]

Originally Posted by T0103E

Not that I can think of. It used to be divine right of kings, but people don't believe that politicians/rulers have the right to rule from God anymore...so the social contract was what replaced that.

There is an odd subsection of Conservatives who often mumble "my rights come from God, not the government"...... which is all fine and cute, but not terribly pragmatic, lest we start quoting Deuteronomy and take this conversation back to the myths of 2000 BC.......

I believe Marx's theory on consciousness and political economy is probably a far better discussion, for left and right alike.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest

Are there places to move to that are not based on Social Contract Theory?

Sharia is not based on Social Contract Theory. Nor is Juche.