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Old 09-20-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Canada
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The anti-__________(Insert religion) rhetoric in politics is NOT such a new one. I do recall back in 1960, when JFK was running for POTUS a whole lot of "Anti-Catholic" being yelled about. The reason was given that they feared he would govern under the Catholic Religious views Never will even consider other religious views on policy etc..

John F. Kennedy and Religion - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

But this anti-muslim hate/fear constant drum beat takes it to a much higher level. In the '60's no one was spewing hatred of the Catholic Religion in general and pointing towards any and all Catholics as terrorists. However, I unfortunately keep hearing, reading and watching pure hatred being painted on a whole group who happen to have a certain faith. (Instead of just pointing to the extreme viewed caliphate pronouncing few)

Yes the extreme media savvy, murdering ones are to be feared, but somehow the Billions of Muslim's of the world, no matter which Country they come from are painted as Terrorists. The latest estimate of 20,000-31,000 are those fighting/combat ISIL militants. However, some do estimate much higher numbers upwards of 200,000. ..

War with Isis: Islamic militants have army of 200,000, claims senior Kurdish leader - Middle East - World - The Independent

 
Old 09-20-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I agree with Carson. This country was founded on certain beliefs and values. Over the years those values have been eroded and trashed to the point that the founding fathers would corner the market on tar and feathers if they saw what the bozos in Washington have done to this country.

Still at the core of many politicians is a fundamental Christian belief which is in line with the path this country was put on and needs to stay on. We cannot have a president that does not have the core values that mirror the majority in this country. Obama is a perfect example of this. He has claimed in his book and at least twice on TV that he is a muslim and look where that has gotten us. Muslim beliefs simply conflict with our society and having another muslim become president could be disastrous for our way of life if he chose to rule within his religion.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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The anti-__________(Insert religion) rhetoric in politics is NOT such a new one. I do recall back in 1960, when JFK was running for POTUS a whole lot of "Anti-Catholic" being yelled about. The reason was given that they feared he would govern under the Catholic Religious views Never will even consider other religious views on policy etc..

John F. Kennedy and Religion - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

But this anti-muslim hate/fear constant drum beat takes it to a much higher level. In the '60's no one was spewing hatred of the Catholic Religion in general and pointing towards any and all Catholics as terrorists. However, I unfortunately keep hearing, reading and watching pure hatred being painted on a whole group who happen to have a certain faith. (Instead of just pointing to the extreme viewed caliphate pronouncing few)

Yes the extreme media savvy, murdering ones are to be feared, but somehow the Billions of Muslim's of the world, no matter which Country they come from are painted as Terrorists. The latest estimate of 20,000-31,000 are those fighting/combat ISIL militants. However, some do estimate much higher numbers upwards of 200,000. ..

War with Isis: Islamic militants have army of 200,000, claims senior Kurdish leader - Middle East - World - The Independent
The fear about Catholic influence was not unfounded in the context of the time. As it happens, the Catholic church in America ended up essentially surrendering to the primacy of the nation-state; but that was hardly a foregone outcome. But of course, that won't stop everyone from holding up with the benefit of hindsight power struggles of the past as proof that no such contest could go wrong or even exist today.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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It really does not matter what Carson thinks. He is on his way out. It is hard to believe he wakes up long enough to make the utterly ridiculous statements he has publicly made over the last two years. Like Walker, he is not even close to being nominated.
People may not agree with Dr. Carson and that's fine. Opinions are allowed in our country. But I challenge everyone to read his book, Gifted Hands: the Ben Carson Story.

Agree with him/don't agree with him: the dude is a total brain. His mom -- the true hero in my book -- was the youngest of like 22 kids. Illiterate. Her two boys were doing poorly in school (they lived in a rundown, very poor area. She worked as a maid). She prayed to God about it and he told her to turn off the TV. That cracked me up.

Then she made him do something like three book reports a week and made him read them to her. Sneakily. She never let on that she couldn't read.

As a kid he was told he was "dumb" and the "dumbest kid in the world." For years he belived it. Then someting sparked his intelligence and eventually he ended up in Yale.

Then a brain surgeon separating conjoined twins (connected at the brain) at Johns Hopkins in MD.

Don't agree w/ his politics -- that's fine. But, man, is this guy a smart, loving person. Super high character.

Alley
 
Old 09-20-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Lyndarn View Post
The anti-__________(Insert religion) rhetoric in politics is NOT such a new one. I do recall back in 1960, when JFK was running for POTUS a whole lot of "Anti-Catholic" being yelled about. The reason was given that they feared he would govern under the Catholic Religious views Never will even consider other religious views on policy etc..

John F. Kennedy and Religion - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

But this anti-muslim hate/fear constant drum beat takes it to a much higher level. In the '60's no one was spewing hatred of the Catholic Religion in general and pointing towards any and all Catholics as terrorists. However, I unfortunately keep hearing, reading and watching pure hatred being painted on a whole group who happen to have a certain faith. (Instead of just pointing to the extreme viewed caliphate pronouncing few)

Yes the extreme media savvy, murdering ones are to be feared, but somehow the Billions of Muslim's of the world, no matter which Country they come from are painted as Terrorists. The latest estimate of 20,000-31,000 are those fighting/combat ISIL militants. However, some do estimate much higher numbers upwards of 200,000. ..

War with Isis: Islamic militants have army of 200,000, claims senior Kurdish leader - Middle East - World - The Independent
One simple qualifier of muslim radicals as those who say the 9/11 attack was justified. Of studies done to differentiate the complete total of the Muslim population (about 1.2 billion), as it compares to Muslim radical fundamentalists is about 36%. That equals 439 million radicals in the world. Not a small number. The actual number of Muslim combatants isn't as important as the amount that supports them. To even comprehend that some 400 million wackos support the terrorists is astounding...and indicate of one really messed up group of robots that are a great danger to our way of life.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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It's time for an atheist president & congress. Religion has nothing to do with governing.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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It's time for an atheist president & congress. Religion has nothing to do with governing.
Agreed!

I basically believe that religion - Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Jewish, Muslim, whatever - should not play a role in government and public affairs.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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I agree with Carson. This country was founded on certain beliefs and values. Over the years those values have been eroded and trashed to the point that the founding fathers would corner the market on tar and feathers if they saw what the bozos in Washington have done to this country.

Still at the core of many politicians is a fundamental Christian belief which is in line with the path this country was put on and needs to stay on.
One of the beliefs this country was founded upon were based in freedom of religion. Our Founding Fathers wanted to escape religious persecution. What they really said:

Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated.
-George Washington

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.

- John Adams

Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.
- James Madison

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.
- Thomas Jefferson

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
- Thomas Paine

This is just a small list of what our Founding Fathers REALLY said and wrote.

Despite the Christian movement to rewrite history and redefine our Founding Fathers and this nation, history will always accurately define who they were and what this nation was truly built upon.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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One of the beliefs this country was founded upon were based in freedom of religion. Our Founding Fathers wanted to escape religious persecution. What they really said:

Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated.
-George Washington

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.

- John Adams

Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.
- James Madison

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.
- Thomas Jefferson

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
- Thomas Paine

This is just a small list of what our Founding Fathers REALLY said and wrote.

Despite the Christian movement to rewrite history and redefine our Founding Fathers and this nation, history will always accurately define who they were and what this nation was truly built upon.
For every "quote" you've dispensed here, I can come up with a greater number reflecting the Founding Fathers belief in God. You can also look into what is written in our founding documents and easily see that a belief was prevalent and in the forefront.
 
Old 09-20-2015, 12:18 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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For every "quote" you've dispensed here, I can come up with a greater number reflecting the Founding Fathers belief in God. You can also look into what is written in our founding documents and easily see that a belief was prevalent and in the forefront.
There's a difference between believing in God and believing religion should play a role in governing. For instance, as a Catholic I believe in God but I do not really practice my religion. I also firmly believe that religion should be kept out of politics. It's a personal matter.
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