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Old 09-23-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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The Pope Will Regret Coming to the United States

Why? Because of opportunistic Democrats.

The evidence? On the flight from Cuba yesterday, the pontiff made sure that the media captured a very important statement: “Some people might say some things sounded slightly more left-ish, but that would be a mistake of interpretation.”

In other words: "I'm not a liberal!"

http://time.com/4044971/pope-francis...not-a-liberal/

Who are these "some people?" They are Democrats who have not-so-privately stated that they intend to use the Pope to push their agenda regarding:

1)Homosexuals
2)Abortion
3)Climate Change
4)Economic Inequality
5)Iran

Pope Francis visit: Pope's visit brings hope for Democrats, trepidation for Republicans - POLITICO

It's NO SMALL THING that the Pope sought to make it clear that he's not a liberal. Not at all.

You see, as the Pope, it's very easy to spew anti-US/anti-capitalism remarks when you're across the ocean in friendly socialistic territory. But when you come to the US, you have to realize that the two-party system is uniquely positioned to capitalize on specific comments, particularly those comments that play right into the Liberal Handbook.

Now that the Pope is in the US, it appears that he now understands the negative ramifications of his words and how those words will now be used as a partisan battering-ram by Democrats.

The Pope can try to run and hide from his liberal ideology, but US Democrats will ensure that he will NEVER be able to do that. Maybe he learned a lesson in his regretful decision to enter into the political fray with American Democrats.

 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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So tell us, WHO was twisting the Pope's arm when he said "Who am I to judge?" about people the right is so quick to pass judgment on?
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:06 AM
 
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So tell us, WHO was twisting the Pope's arm when he said "Who am I to judge?" about people the right is so quick to pass judgment on?
the pope claims he is not a liberal, and yet he constantly makes statements to the contrary. he is constantly pushing liberal causes. only judging a man by his words and deeds.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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The Pope can try to run and hide from his liberal ideology, but US Democrats will ensure that he will NEVER be able to do that. Maybe he learned a lesson in his regretful decision to enter into the political fray with American Democrats.
The Pope isn't trying to run and hide from anything.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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So tell us, WHO was twisting the Pope's arm when he said "Who am I to judge?" about people the right is so quick to pass judgment on?
That's the point. Making such a statement plays right into the liberal handbook. Except the Pope was speaking in a religious context, and American Democrats are capitalizing on it in a political and legal context.

The Pope is now realizing that his words can, will, and are twisted by Democrats to fit their agenda. Considering that the Pope himself has distanced himself from the politics, it obviously does not sit well that he'd be Democrat's sacrificial lamb in American policy debates. Otherwise he would not have made it a point to say forthrightly that he's not a leftist.

From the other side of the aisle, Republicans will continue to beat on him for being a leftist. It's a lose lose, and he knows it.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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The Pope isn't trying to run and hide from anything.
Without a doubt, he is. He would not have made such a statement to the media while en route to America if he weren't concerned about the bastardization of his words by Democrats in the American policy debate.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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The Pope cited the Catholic doctrine as the foundation of his positions.

I think you're just used to a very divisive American culture where all the religious people are inaccurately portrayed as being on one side.

There are many ways of addressing these matters, none of which have to be against capitalism or American values. Imperialism and concentrating wealth in only the hands of a few are not intrinsically American values.

Who said we need big government solutions? What if we simply saw it as our values to ensure all have what they need and choose to make that happen?

The Pope is illustrating that through his spiritual prism.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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Which is understandable, as it really terrifies the right to see a man of religion champion humanity over ideology. I suppose because the most vocal religious leaders they venerate here in the U.S. put ideology and dogma above all else. This Pope reminds me that there are still Christians in the world who actually follow the teachings of Christ.

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Old 09-23-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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The Pope cited the Catholic doctrine as the foundation of his positions.

I think you're just used to a very divisive American culture where all the religious people are inaccurately portrayed as being on one side.

There are many ways of addressing these matters, none of which have to be against capitalism or American values. Imperialism and concentrating wealth in only the hands of a few are not intrinsically American values.

Who said we need big government solutions? What if we simply saw it as our values to ensure all have what they need and choose to make that happen?

The Pope is illustrating that through his spiritual prism.
That's precisely the point of the thread. The Pope had a religious reason to espouse certain positions. Now, American Democrats are poised to bastardize those positions for political gain. The Pope is not enthralled by this circumstance because now he's in the crosshairs of both parties. It is no small thing that he made it a point to clarify that he's not a leftist literally hours before visiting a country whose leftist politicians have made it no secret of their intent to use his moral teachings for political gain.
 
Old 09-23-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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Without a doubt, he is. He would not have made such a statement to the media while en route to America if he weren't concerned about the bastardization of his words by Democrats in the American policy debate.
Says you. A huge leap.

He is the Pope. He stands by his statements. He feels that he is a conservative, and as the head of the Catholic Church, he has good reason to feel that he is a conservative. Conservatives on the global level aren't the same as a conservative like yourself. For instance, many conservatives around the world do believe in climate change. Just because conservatives in the United States (not 100% of them, mind) don't believe in climate change doesn't make the Pope not a conservative because he does. Just because this Pope is one of the most compassionate popes in history doesn't make him not a conservative. He holds many conservative beliefs. He also seems to have a tremendous capacity for empathy. Conservatives can be empathetic.
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