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And there in that one sentence defines your lack of humanity. Some of the people on the videos were talking about being careful how they extracted the fetus so as not to crush some of the parts that were needed. This was not tissue they were talking about. These were actual beings. Please don't mention editing because there is no other interpretation.
You obviously don't understand how creative editing can obscure the truth.
Do you believe what you see in magic shows too?
"He cut that woman in half, I saw it with my own eyes."
I think this issue is far more complex than you are willing to admit. I'm liberal, I am also personally opposed to abortion except for some very limited situations. But I went to high school in the 60's at a time when abortion was illegal and that never stopped women from having one. By the time I was a senior I would guess that 20-25% of the girls in my graduating class had been pregnant, some of them more than once. The girls from upper middle class families missed school for two days during which they went to see the doctor for a "procedure", of course the "procedure" was an abortion and the girls would return to school magically un-pregnant. The poor girls..well they either quit school and had the baby, or they were sent off to a home for unwed mothers where they were 'encouraged' to give up the baby for adoption, or they had an illegal abortion usually performed by a non professional which sometimes ended up tragically sometimes leaving the girl with permanent damage or in rare cases resulting in death.
How does outlawing abortion help anyone? Women with money will still have them, so basically the only fetuses you will save are those carried by very poor women who have few or no options. And a lot of those women and girls are ethnic minorities, they know if they give their baby up for adoption it will be among the last to be picked for adoption. How is that fair, righteous, or even ethical?
2sleepy, I can respect your well thought out argument. I am not disputing part of what you are saying. But there is also the reality that with every abortion there is a termination of human life. And the callousness that some people, not all, on this thread have displayed since this whole Planned Parenthood thing has exploded has been weird. Almost as though if it were in fact found that Planned Parenthood was profiting from tissue, body parts, whatever, it wouldn't matter. I'm not talking about shipping and handling costs but actual profits. If that were found to be true, then our society would really be entering a different arena. And I guess I see us going down a really dark path IF, IF, that were found to be true.
You obviously don't understand how creative editing can obscure the truth.
Do you believe what you see in magic shows too?
"He cut that woman in half, I saw it with my own eyes."
Did you not hear the one Dr. talking about this? Did they edit out her own words and lip synch so her face matched the edited words. Please don't play this game. Go back and listen to her as she noshes down on her salad and describes it.
2sleepy, I can respect your well thought out argument. I am not disputing part of what you are saying. But there is also the reality that with every abortion there is a termination of human life. And the callousness that some people, not all, on this thread have displayed since this whole Planned Parenthood thing has exploded has been weird. Almost as though if it were in fact found that Planned Parenthood was profiting from tissue, body parts, whatever, it wouldn't matter. I'm not talking about shipping and handling costs but actual profits. If that were found to be true, then our society would really be entering a different arena. And I guess I see us going down a really dark path IF, IF, that were found to be true.
So, you admit that nothing has been proven, yet pro-lifers support defunding PP on an IF.
Yes, we are going down a dark path if this country is going to assume guilt and mete out punishment without a trial.....which is exactly what Republicans are trying to do to PP.
So, you admit that nothing has been proven, yet pro-lifers support defunding PP on an IF.
Yes, we are going down a dark path if this country is going to assume guilt and mete out punishment without a trial.....which is exactly what Republicans are trying to do to PP.
So I'll ask you, if it is proven true, would you have any qualms about letting that continue?
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2sleepy, I can respect your well thought out argument. I am not disputing part of what you are saying. But there is also the reality that with every abortion there is a termination of human life. And the callousness that some people, not all, on this thread have displayed since this whole Planned Parenthood thing has exploded has been weird. Almost as though if it were in fact found that Planned Parenthood was profiting from tissue, body parts, whatever, it wouldn't matter. I'm not talking about shipping and handling costs but actual profits. If that were found to be true, then our society would really be entering a different arena. And I guess I see us going down a really dark path IF, IF, that were found to be true.
With all due respect, I do not believe the whole argument against planned parenthood is anything less than a full frontal attack intended to remove women's access to abortion services. I am not saying that is how you feel, but that is clearly the goal of most people who are trying to shut PP down. And once again, it won't reduce the number of abortions, it will just make them less safe. If anything, there will be more women having abortions because large numbers relied upon planned parenthood for birth control services. I think it's a misguided effort and will ultimately fail.
With all due respect, I do not believe the whole argument against planned parenthood is anything less than a full frontal attack intended to remove women's access to abortion services. I am not saying that is how you feel, but that is clearly the goal of most people who are trying to shut PP down. And once again, it won't reduce the number of abortions, it will just make them less safe. If anything, there will be more women having abortions because large numbers relied upon planned parenthood for birth control services. I think it's a misguided effort and will ultimately fail.
Thank you for an honest discussion.
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