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no....how about we focus on the people doing the killing and thier mental health????
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Originally Posted by Shankapotomus
Well, don't you think there is a case to be made for controlling the masses since, in our case, the masses are killing each other?
It's seems to me the whole argument to protect gun rights is based on the fear that the government will do terrible things to the masses if the guns are taken away. But in the mean time, the masses are already doing the terrible things a tyrannical government might do to themselves.
The masses are already killing themselves with guns. And the government already has more fire power than the masses to destroy and subdue them several times over and is doing nowhere near the amount of killing the masses are doing to themselves.
no....how about we focus on the people doing the killing and thier mental health????
That's like saying to just focus on getting rid of the Nazis doing the actual killing and not the structure giving Nazi's the power to kill people.
The number of current U.S. gun deaths per year are of tyrannical proportions if they were the result of a government. It is not the result of just a few mental cases. This is epidemic and structural. It is the result of giving average people the power to kill so effectively.
If you want to stop it, you have collapse the structure.
The GOP and NRA have empowered the manufacturers through passed legislation, giving them a free pass.
The GOP idea of allowing the market to control itself is flawed, as some controls need to start at the point of manufacture.
We have watched the GOP and their lack of controls try to kill the country, financially, and now through the failure to allow the population the freedom to move around in a first rate nation. Their type of governance is leading to almost third world standards.
Well, don't you think there is a case to be made for controlling the masses since, in our case, the masses are killing each other?
It's seems to me the whole argument to protect gun rights is based on the fear that the government will do terrible things to the masses if the guns are taken away. But in the mean time, the masses are already doing the terrible things a tyrannical government might do to themselves.
The masses are already killing themselves with guns. And the government already has more fire power than the masses to destroy and subdue them several times over and is doing nowhere near the amount of killing the masses are doing to themselves.
So you have zero defense.
Absolutely not. The "masses" should never be controlled. Individuals should be left to do as they please with the promise from the .gov that they will be punished if they infringe on the rights of others. 99.9% of the population does that every day.
Actually, the armed government isn't that large compared to the "army" of gun owners. American Hunters
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Originally Posted by Shankapotomus
That's like saying to just focus on getting rid of the Nazis doing the actual killing and not the structure giving Nazi's the power to kill people.
The number of current U.S. gun deaths per year are of tyrannical proportions if they were the result of a government. It is not the result of just a few mental cases. This is epidemic and structural. It is the result of giving average people the power to kill so effectively.
If you want to stop it, you have collapse the structure.
Absolutely not. The "masses" should never be controlled. Individuals should be left to do as they please with the promise from the .gov that they will be punished if they infringe on the rights of others. 99.9% of the population does that every day.
So if the masses are killing each other, what is the difference between them and a tyrannical government killing them?
Why should the masses be handled with kid gloves when they are killing other Americans but the government must be brought down if it would dare the same? I'm not making a case for tolerating a government killing its citizens. I'm saying killing is killing and you can't go soft on killing just because its private citizens doing the killing.
It's not about the Constitution. It's not about what the Floundering Fathers said.
It's about how American men (and many American women) view masculinity. It's about how Americans were brought up to understand masculinity.
To take away their guns is to challenge the illusion they have about themselves as perpetual heroes fighting the "bad guys".
To take away their guns is the same thing as cutting their &%$#@ off in their minds and they can't allow that to happen. It would destroy the claim to masculinity their self-image is so dependent on weapons to reinforce and maintain.
That's the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. The same could be said for those that collect toys; they have never left their childhood. Or those that collect cars are trying to show off over how much money they have and to show their masculinity.
So if the masses are killing each other, what is the difference between them and a tyrannical government killing them?
Why should the masses be handled with kid gloves when they are killing other Americans but the government must be brought down if it would dare the same? I'm not making a case for tolerating a government killing its citizens. I'm saying killing is killing and you can't go soft on killing just because its private citizens doing the killing.
So you accept the government tyranny to stop people from killing each other because if you don't have tyranny people will kill each other and if you are ok with that it is hypocritical not to accept a government tyranny because killing is killing. So if you are pro tyranny you are pro tyranny and if you are anti tyranny unless you want to be a hypocrite you actually have to be pro tyranny, so in a way no matter what position to hold you are pro tyranny.
Twisted logic full of false premises. You are trolling us, good sir. I'm not buying.
So you accept the government tyranny to stop people from killing each other because if you don't have tyranny people will kill each other and if you are ok with that it is hypocritical not to accept a government tyranny because killing is killing. So if you are pro tyranny you are pro tyranny and if you are anti tyranny unless you want to be a hypocrite you actually have to be pro tyranny, so in a way no matter what position to hold you are pro tyranny.
Twisted logic full of false premises. You are trolling us, good sir. I'm not buying.
Said he who likes to be identified as "Uncle Bully". I'm sure there's absolutely no correlation between your defense and affinity for guns and your desire to be viewed as a tough guy.
It's not about the Constitution. It's not about what the Floundering Fathers said.
It's about how American men (and many American women) view masculinity. It's about how Americans were brought up to understand masculinity.
Guns and the ability to violently confront others represent "true masculinity" to many Americans. In the movies and in real life.
Take away their guns is to challenge the illusion they have about themselves as perpetual heroes fighting the "bad guys".
To take away their guns is the same thing as cutting their &%$#@ off in their minds and they can't allow that to happen. It would destroy the claim to masculinity their self-image is so dependent on weapons to reinforce and maintain.
The 2nd amendment was what won our freedom from a tyrant and totalitarianism.
Without it, you would be a slave to your government and the King of England, more than you already are.
Ya, it took some masculine men, with balls, to challenge an armed and powerful government.
Not some p u s s y, hiding under a rock.
US Federal Government knows, there are still some men with balls still alive in this nation they wish to cripple.
Thus the many attempts to regulate and eliminate the power to overthrow a tyrannical and totalitarian Federal Government.
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