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Old 01-31-2008, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Boise
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"handouts" is in relation to special approapriations that the government pays to native americans. while the article does not specifically talk about checks given out to natives everyone knows that they do recieve such payments.. that is why I tied it in with the native leaders relying and being dependent on the very government that has mistreated their ancestors... it is my opinion that if they had the best interests of their people at heart.. and REALLY did have deep rooted distrust and ill feelings towards that government and people... that they wouldn't accept such "handouts" or as the article describes... accounting and management of their finances.... I'm just trying to paint the whole picture here.. and putting two and two together.. and its not adding up.... native leaders are not making sense to put this kind of responsibility of their personal finances in the hands of someone or something they have an axe to grind with... which brings into question all the other agreements between our government and the native american nations....and of course then you can bring up all the other issues involved in the relationship between the two.. and you cannot leave out the "handouts" because again.. the same illogical reasoning exists as well... to not bring it up would be turning a blind eye to the entire issue don't u think?
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:19 AM
 
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Sorry but Native Americans have been lied to by the government, have had contracts and treaties broken by the government...if YOU made a contract with someone and you had to sue to get what they agreed to in the contract would you think of it as getting a hand out?


Oh, and talking about hand outs....how about them there Off-shore corporations.....
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Boise
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Sorry but Native Americans have been lied to by the government, have had contracts and treaties broken by the government...if YOU made a contract with someone and you had to sue to get what they agreed to in the contract would you think of it as getting a hand out?


Oh, and talking about hand outs....how about them there Off-shore corporations.....
You're absolutely right... corporate handouts have been common place under many administrations.. I'm not going to say republicans do it more than democrats... I don't think this issue is about red or blue..
but in relation to the native americans.. you're right they have been treated unfairly and poorly over the years... but you know.. the old saying goes... 1st time their fault... 2nd time.. my fault.... If I was native american and the leader of my people.. i would not be entering into contract after contract with the very government that has mistreated me and my people over the years... so.. what is it that keeps their leaders from cutting off their financial ties and contractual ties with our government? I'd be willing to bet that the benefits are outweighing the setbacks... what do you think? I just doubt that any leader with any kind of wisdom would entail himself and his people with something or someone that has consistantly mistreated them??? its one of those things that makes you go Hmmmm???
I'm not saying i know the answer and every little detail.. I'm just saying that what is being promoted in regards to the relationships between the US government and the Indian nations just doesn't add up and seem logical.. so to discuss this particular issue I can't help but acknowledge other issues that play a big part in understanding the dynamics of the relationship between them....
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:10 AM
 
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I'm sorry but.. I think its time for the Native Americans to assimilate. The only ones who should be getting checks were their ancestors who were kicked off their land. They have just about as much chance as anyone to survive in American society.
I'm with you on this one...It's ridiculous that they are still living on reservations. It's like keeping people in zoos.

It's about time that we become one people - the people of the USA.

And as far as the injustice of the white man migrating here - Hey!, Throughout history, all over the world, people migrated. It's what happened at the early period of our history.

This country was an open frontier at the time. Now we've built it up to a sovereign nation.

And, we still leave it open to people that want to migrate here - As long as they do it legally.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Hey - mony is green (fungable for the purist) - I'd take a check if offered. Particularly if the alternative was starving or freezing in the dark.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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I'm with you on this one...It's ridiculous that they are still living on reservations. It's like keeping people in zoos.

It's about time that we become one people - the people of the USA.
Also agreed... It sad when people think of a Native American and picture a casino, trailer in the desert and a bottle of Night Train Express.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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"handouts" is in relation to special approapriations that the government pays to native americans. while the article does not specifically talk about checks given out to natives everyone knows that they do recieve such payments.. that is why I tied it in with the native leaders relying and being dependent on the very government that has mistreated their ancestors... it is my opinion that if they had the best interests of their people at heart.. and REALLY did have deep rooted distrust and ill feelings towards that government and people... that they wouldn't accept such "handouts" or as the article describes... accounting and management of their finances.... I'm just trying to paint the whole picture here.. and putting two and two together.. and its not adding up.... native leaders are not making sense to put this kind of responsibility of their personal finances in the hands of someone or something they have an axe to grind with... which brings into question all the other agreements between our government and the native american nations....and of course then you can bring up all the other issues involved in the relationship between the two.. and you cannot leave out the "handouts" because again.. the same illogical reasoning exists as well... to not bring it up would be turning a blind eye to the entire issue don't u think?
Nice try, but there's no "handout" being sought here.

The federal government mismanaging Blackfeet funds is no more a "handout" than what your personal CPA would owe you if they mismanaged your funds.
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Old 01-31-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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I'm with you on this one...It's ridiculous that they are still living on reservations. It's like keeping people in zoos.

It's about time that we become one people - the people of the USA.

And as far as the injustice of the white man migrating here - Hey!, Throughout history, all over the world, people migrated. It's what happened at the early period of our history.

This country was an open frontier at the time. Now we've built it up to a sovereign nation.

And, we still leave it open to people that want to migrate here - As long as they do it legally.
LOL....this is what is wrong with this country. You have people so brainwashed that they justify murder and bloodshed by more murder and bloodshed. This country was not the white man's when he got here. They're were people living here who made it possible for the white man to survive only to turn around and kill those who helped him. It's funny how the winner always wants people to assimilate. Assimilate into what is what i'm trying to figure out. What is American culture?? I'm confused. If American culture isn't anything but a huge ripoff of other cultures then what is it?
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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I'm with you on this one...It's ridiculous that they are still living on reservations. It's like keeping people in zoos.

It's about time that we become one people - the people of the USA.

And as far as the injustice of the white man migrating here - Hey!, Throughout history, all over the world, people migrated. It's what happened at the early period of our history.

This country was an open frontier at the time. Now we've built it up to a sovereign nation.

And, we still leave it open to people that want to migrate here - As long as they do it legally.

Native Americans aren't forced to live on the reservations, it's their choice. The Creek Indian reservation is located a few miles outside of my town, and most choose not to live there (i'm not saying it's bad). The Creeks can buy a home anywhere they like and the tribe will provide the loan to them at zero interest.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Also agreed... It sad when people think of a Native American and picture a casino, trailer in the desert and a bottle of Night Train Express.
Sounds okay to me. As long as the trailer is air-conditioned.
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