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Old 05-24-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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No one can predict the future but if you mean to tell me that the adult who was below the poverty line had children because "welp, I don't know how much I'll make in the future. Let me have kids and worry about providing for them after" was a good idea, then I'm sorry. That is backwards.

If someone's credit score isn't good and you're struggling to pay bills, please tell me what reason they have to raise kids. And how would they at that when their regular bills can't be paid.
Again...

You can't draw these sorts of conclusions or claim these "solutions" as if there is one set of circumstances or manner in which people behave, rationally, intelligently or otherwise.

Fact is, if everyone were intelligent and responsible about such things, we would not be debating such things, but there are so many people who don't do intelligent or responsible things for all variety of reasons.

Some people, for example, tend to be more emotional rather than rational. Are they to be blamed for that?

Some people are very religious, and take their direction about such things, like family, from their God, whether rich or poor. "God will provide."

Some people are simply not thinking all that much about the future or consequences when "in the heat of the moment." No, that's no excuse, but add the raging hormones at the age those hormones are raging, and yet again we have a case of actions not always so well thought out.

Which brings us to the question of abortion...

Others come from large families that somehow made it even through lean times, and they also want a large family, and figure they too can overcome lean times.

Did you see all the primary reasons for unwanted teen pregnancy? There are too many different scenarios to count, and of course we can criticize what people do all day long, but that doesn't change the fact that people do what they will do, right or wrong. Then what?

Take smoking as another example of "people behaving badly."

There is simply no intelligent rational justification to knowingly ingest carcinogens into our body, yet...
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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The answer to this question is really quite simple


You get more of what government subsidizes.
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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The answer to this question is really quite simple

You get more of what government subsidizes.
Bingo!

We should just as simply have government subsidize success, job security, prosperity!
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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More kids = More Gubmint checks = More $$ for drugs...
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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More kids = More Gubmint checks = More $$ for drugs...
Interesting. I've never once purchased drugs, bar a handful of packs of cigarettes and alcohol, legally on occasion. I've had to use food stamps on several occasions. I have two kids. Ironically enough, the reason behind that was my husband developing carpal tunnel and his employer telling him "ah bad luck. Get back to work". That was definitely our fault though, right?
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:19 AM
 
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If you deliberately and intentionally have kids and you don't make a certain level of income (I'll say about $50K Minimum) you are selfish.

For you to bring your child into a world where you are not financially able to provide the best education, evironment, living standards, and health care when there are dozens of contraception options out there, you are selfish.

You are also an idiot because if you to begin with are not well off and struggle to support yourself, logically bringing in a child into your life that you'll have to take care of should be the last thing on your mind. Having children while in poverty begets more poverty more often than not.

You can expect a lot more Flint Michigan incidents to happen when the population starts to increase while the space, economy, and resources don't match in this country and population control needs to be done.

I know many black women who are married and not married that surpass the income that you quoted, and they have either chosen or are choosing not to have children because they do not want to subject them to this cruel world. Their experiences have scarred them to the point where they do not want their offspring to have deal with the nonsense that exists here. Quite sad to say the least, but that is a choice that many have made and they are not poor black women.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Okay. How do you propose we change that?
I've already made the following suggestion:

Require long-term contraceptives use for eligibility for any and all of the various means-tested social welfare programs.

It's possible teens may have one child before the requirement kicks in, but they sure as sh*t won't have any more (statistical reality) as long as they continue to draw on means-tested social public assistance welfare programs like Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, welfare, etc., etc.

Alternatively, scrap all those government-funded means-tested social public assistance welfare programs and have liberals voluntarily fund them privately.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:47 AM
 
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Watching you "connect the dots" as you do with your rather questionable cause/effect rationale is at least entertaining, much like watching shows about what crazy things people do. Here too, I think what you are missing is not all that complicated really...
I'm missing nothing. DEM voter groups (Blacks and Hispanics) have SIGNIFICANTLY higher teen birth rates than anyone else. It's just FACTUAL reality.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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If you deliberately and intentionally have kids and you don't make a certain level of income (I'll say about $50K Minimum) you are selfish.

For you to bring your child into a world where you are not financially able to provide the best education, evironment, living standards, and health care when there are dozens of contraception options out there, you are selfish.

You are also an idiot because if you to begin with are not well off and struggle to support yourself, logically bringing in a child into your life that you'll have to take care of should be the last thing on your mind. Having children while in poverty begets more poverty more often than not.

You can expect a lot more Flint Michigan incidents to happen when the population starts to increase while the space, economy, and resources don't match in this country and population control needs to be done.
Yep. 70% of those born into poverty never rise above the poverty level. Not even as adults. They live a lifetime of hardship and struggle.

I've already posted a link to the citation for that stat.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:58 AM
 
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Bingo!

We should just as simply have government subsidize success, job security, prosperity!
It doesn't, though. It PENALIZES those things with higher tax rates, etc.
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