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Old 11-17-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by TruthBTold2U View Post
This is a satire web site but had better sense than Bush and Cheney........... but you knew that already
yes the onion is a satire site... but the FACT remains that EVERY POTUS since Wilson (and before too, but our foreign policy got big from Wilson on) has made foreign policies concerning the middle-east....and when EVERY ONE of those policies were vetted , some people said it will destabilize the mid-east...... but you knew that, you would rather have your chance to bash bush than to look at things realistically

we understand the flaming thread, intent on one thing, trolling for your bash of the bush

 
Old 11-18-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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yes the onion is a satire site... but the FACT remains that EVERY POTUS since Wilson (and before too, but our foreign policy got big from Wilson on) has made foreign policies concerning the middle-east....and when EVERY ONE of those policies were vetted , some people said it will destabilize the mid-east...... but you knew that, you would rather have your chance to bash bush than to look at things realistically

we understand the flaming thread, intent on one thing, trolling for your bash of the bush

Bush has followed the footsteps of many of our so called leaders, be it the Democrats or Republicans. The CIA has been big part of our blunders. Bush and Obama have not done anything to help matters. Mission Accomplished, yet it continues on and on and on........


This is why they hate us: The real American history neither Ted Cruz nor the New York Times will tell you

Iran was once a secular democracy. You would not know this from contemporary discussions of the much demonized country in U.S. politics and media.

What happen to Iran’s democracy? The U.S. overthrew it in 1953, with the help of the U.K. Why? For oil.

Mohammad Mosaddegh may be the most popular leader in Iran’s long history. He was also Iran’s only democratically elected head of state.

In 1951, Mosaddegh was elected prime minister of Iran. He was not a socialist, and certainly not a communist — on the contrary, he repressed Iranian communists — but he pursued many progressive, social democratic policies. Mosaddegh pushed for land reform, established rent control, and created a social security system, while working to separate powers in the democratic government.

In the Cold War, however, a leader who deviated in any way from free-market orthodoxy and the Washington Consensus was deemed a threat. When Mossaddegh nationalized Iran’s large oil reserves, he crossed a line that Western capitalist nations would not tolerate.

The New York Times ran an article in 1951 titled “British Warn Iran of Serious Result if She Seizes Oil.” The piece, which is full of orientalist language, refers to Iranian oil as “British oil properties,” failing to acknowledge that Britain, which had previously occupied Iran, had seized that oil and claimed it as its own, administering it under the auspices of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, which later became the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, and eventually British Petroleum and modern BP.

The Times article noted that the U.S. “shares with Britain the gravest concern about the possibility that Iranian oil, the biggest supply now available in the Near East, might be lost to the Western powers.” The British government is quoted making a thinly veiled threat.

This threat came into fruition in August 1953. In Operation Ajax, the CIA, working with its British equivalent MI6, carried out a coup, overthrowing the elected government of Iran and reinstalling the monarchy. The shah would remain a faithful Western ally until 1979, when the monarchy was abolished in the Iranian Revolution.


This is why they hate us: The real American history neither Ted Cruz nor the New York Times will tell you - Salon.com
 
Old 11-18-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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They always said truth is stranger than fiction.

Lately though fiction is becoming truth.

This article dated 12 years ago.
Camp of the Saints is really happening now.
ATS posts more facts than tin foil conspiracies.
1984 knocked on our door with the Patriot Act and we welcomed them in.

What's the next piece of fiction due to become fact ?
Good post thanks for the reply.
 
Old 11-18-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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Well, Iraq was stabilized with ten thousand troops. It was won to the extent it could be at that time and everyone down to President Bush said Don't Pull the Troops because everything that did happen Bush and most others said had to happen.

Obama pulled it all with a date certain and his fellow JV team players moved in.
From there they destabilized the area more and then sent Jihad refugees all over the Western World (Trojan Horse).

Obama Akbar!
Thank Obama.
 
Old 11-18-2015, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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Well, Iraq was stabilized with ten thousand troops. It was won to the extent it could be at that time and everyone down to President Bush said Don't Pull the Troops because everything that did happen Bush and most others said had to happen.

Obama pulled it all with a date certain and his fellow JV team players moved in.
From there they destabilized the area more and then sent Jihad refugees all over the Western World (Trojan Horse).

Obama Akbar!
Thank Obama.
We should of never invaded Iraq in the first place. Please try to remember the lies like chemical lab trucks roaming around Iraq and the fact that 15 out the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia............
 
Old 11-18-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
and you can find ''news'' articles/commentary for any of the POTUS' during the last 70 years that say destabilize the mid east

57 Years Ago: U.S. and Britain Approved Use of Islamic Extremists to Topple Syrian Government Washington's Blog

Destabilizing the Middle East: U.S. Policy toward Palestine, 1943
Too bad Bush and Cheney didn't learn anything from the past (if they even bothered to be aware of the past).
 
Old 11-18-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Originally Posted by TruthBTold2U View Post
Bush has followed the footsteps of many of our so called leaders, be it the Democrats or Republicans. The CIA has been big part of our blunders. Bush and Obama have not done anything to help matters. Mission Accomplished, yet it continues on and on and on........


This is why they hate us: The real American history neither Ted Cruz nor the New York Times will tell you

Iran was once a secular democracy. You would not know this from contemporary discussions of the much demonized country in U.S. politics and media.

What happen to Iran’s democracy? The U.S. overthrew it in 1953, with the help of the U.K. Why? For oil.

Mohammad Mosaddegh may be the most popular leader in Iran’s long history. He was also Iran’s only democratically elected head of state.

In 1951, Mosaddegh was elected prime minister of Iran. He was not a socialist, and certainly not a communist — on the contrary, he repressed Iranian communists — but he pursued many progressive, social democratic policies. Mosaddegh pushed for land reform, established rent control, and created a social security system, while working to separate powers in the democratic government.

In the Cold War, however, a leader who deviated in any way from free-market orthodoxy and the Washington Consensus was deemed a threat. When Mossaddegh nationalized Iran’s large oil reserves, he crossed a line that Western capitalist nations would not tolerate.

The New York Times ran an article in 1951 titled “British Warn Iran of Serious Result if She Seizes Oil.” The piece, which is full of orientalist language, refers to Iranian oil as “British oil properties,” failing to acknowledge that Britain, which had previously occupied Iran, had seized that oil and claimed it as its own, administering it under the auspices of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, which later became the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, and eventually British Petroleum and modern BP.

The Times article noted that the U.S. “shares with Britain the gravest concern about the possibility that Iranian oil, the biggest supply now available in the Near East, might be lost to the Western powers.” The British government is quoted making a thinly veiled threat.

This threat came into fruition in August 1953. In Operation Ajax, the CIA, working with its British equivalent MI6, carried out a coup, overthrowing the elected government of Iran and reinstalling the monarchy. The shah would remain a faithful Western ally until 1979, when the monarchy was abolished in the Iranian Revolution.


This is why they hate us: The real American history neither Ted Cruz nor the New York Times will tell you - Salon.com
Too many words. The conservatives here want you to believe that they hate us for our freedom (and that this hatred was formed in a vacuum)
 
Old 11-18-2015, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Too bad Bush and Cheney didn't learn anything from the past (if they even bothered to be aware of the past).
bush and co didnt do anything out of the ordinary

alq attacked us....you do remember 911??

afghanistan is part of the mid east, being right to the east of iran

iraq was training alq


the biggest mistake bush made is he should have kept his eye on the ball of afghanistan before going into iraq, or any other alq/isis/extremist sympathizing countries
 
Old 11-18-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Too bad Bush and Cheney didn't learn anything from the past (if they even bothered to be aware of the past).
bush and co didnt do anything out of the ordinary

you do remember that alq attacked us on 911


afghanistan is part of the mideast as it is right next to iran on the east side

iraq was training alq

the biggest mistake that is he should have finnished the job in afghanistan before going on to the other alq/isis supporting countries
 
Old 11-18-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by TruthBTold2U View Post
We should of never invaded Iraq in the first place. Please try to remember the lies like chemical lab trucks roaming around Iraq and the fact that 15 out the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia............
iraq was supporting and training alq

and the terroists being ORIGINALLY from saudi, does not mean it was saudi making the attack...they were alq, who was at the time HQ'd in afghanistan
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