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Old 11-20-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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How do you determine what collateral damage is?

if a drone drops a bomb and hits the terrorist target, are his wife and kids (terrorists in training and a possible "black widow") considered collateral damage?

What about the non combatants who didn't rat the terrorist out (harboring). Is that too, collateral damage?

If you start to pick this apart, you'll quickly see it is not a simple yes or no answer.

Boy this country has really gotten soft in the last several decades.
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:28 AM
 
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If you think the kill, kill, kill rhetoric coming from many in the U.S. isn't doing the exact same thing to our kids, you are mistaken.

I do not understand what the difference is in who targets kids and elderly. Why is it wrong for one but not the other? How is it our problem to deal with?

Let's say, Syria says, "look at all the kids and young men being killed in Chicago, let's invade and try to stop that", would it be legit? Would we be fine with that?

If not, why should they be O.K. with us doing it?
You're the second (I'll save my name calling here) in two days that has tried to equate gang and drug turf violence in the US as being similar to terrorist acts.

Gangs don't go into restaurants and shoot a bunch of people having dinner while screaming their gang name.

You can't be that misinformed, can you?
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Ashamed for speaking the truth? War is a RACKET and it is long past time to leave the Middle East and never return. You cannot teach people not to kill by killing. It is insanity. Our Government and Military Industrial Complex is responsible for the creation of ISIS. We have armed and funded "rebel group" after "rebel group" that later go on to join ISIS or other terrible groups.

What you support is creating more and more terrorists, and will leave our nation broke and devastated.

Maybe it is YOU who should get out.
I'd be all for letting this middle eastern muslim countries exterminate eachother. Hell, as long as they promise to keep it within their own borders, I'm happy providing them the weapons to do so. Last country standing gets the land.

If that were to happen, do you think terrorism by muslims would go away?
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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I'd be all for letting this middle eastern muslim countries exterminate eachother. Hell, as long as they promise to keep it within their own borders, I'm happy providing them the weapons to do so. Last country standing gets the land.

If that were to happen, do you think terrorism by muslims would go away?
If the US removed itself entirely from the Middle East, had a policy of strict non-intervention in whatever happens there, cut off all oil/trade ties, and stopped being "allies" with Saudi Arabia and Israel yes terrorism by Muslims in this country would be reduced drastically.

But there will always be terrorism, and there always has been. It just wasn't always called that and drilled into people's heads 24/7.

Why is someone that shoots and kills 20+ American school children not called a "terrorist"?

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Old 11-20-2015, 08:47 AM
 
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They are simply living their lives........Odd, so you say they should leave but of course you will also argue that they shouldn't come here, even though it is us that is making them leave.

The Middle East is their land, not ours. We are the intruders that need to leave.
The Great Intruduction!
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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If you're an American, you should be ashamed. Sounds like you already are. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out......
I'm not ashamed of my non intervention viewpoint. I am ashamed of the US fed govt.and all its foreign policy blunders which have made US citizens less safe.
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Old 11-20-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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How do you determine what collateral damage is?

if a drone drops a bomb and hits the terrorist target, are his wife and kids (terrorists in training and a possible "black widow") considered collateral damage?

What about the non combatants who didn't rat the terrorist out (harboring). Is that too, collateral damage?

If you start to pick this apart, you'll quickly see it is not a simple yes or no answer.

Boy this country has really gotten soft in the last several decades.
It is a simple answer. We have no business even trying to make that determination. Not to mention you finding everyone guilty whether they are or not. Do you know everything your neighbors do behind closed doors?

Look at what the friends of those who perpetrated the mess in France said. They all say they had no clue. Is it O.K. if we killed them anyway because after all, they lived in the same city?
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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If the US removed itself entirely from the Middle East, had a policy of strict non-intervention in whatever happens there, cut off all oil/trade ties, and stopped being "allies" with Saudi Arabia and Israel yes terrorism by Muslims in this country would be reduced drastically.

But there will always be terrorism, and there always has been. It just wasn't always called that and drilled into people's heads 24/7.

Why is someone that shoots and kills 20+ American school children not called a "terrorist"?
um no offense, but that didn't work out very well for the US during WWII and it won't work in this scenario. I appreciate your wanting to save lives and all, but it's not very realistic. Us keeping out of the ME won't stop them from hating us or targeting us.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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You're the second (I'll save my name calling here) in two days that has tried to equate gang and drug turf violence in the US as being similar to terrorist acts.
One has to go back to the beginning of all of this. In the beginning we attacked and meddled in other countries for the simply reason of not liking who they elected to run their country.

Would that make a better argument for you?

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Gangs don't go into restaurants and shoot a bunch of people having dinner while screaming their gang name.

You can't be that misinformed, can you?
You always have to throw in a completely irrelevant item to try and justify your beliefs. It's really not important if they yell their gang name or not. They generally wear their gang colors. No?
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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It is a simple answer. We have no business even trying to make that determination. Not to mention you finding everyone guilty whether they are or not. Do you know everything your neighbors do behind closed doors?
aww, that's precious. No really, it is.

some guy makes a video "I swear to God we will spill the blood of Americans in your cities and won't stop until the streets are filled with infidel blood".

he and anyone he associates with deserves to die.
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