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How is it possible that millions of people now have insurance that did not
That's not actually true. There's been a net LOSS of those who have insurance, and a huge GAIN of those placed on Medicaid.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
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"The RAND study estimates 11.2 million Americans are insured through new state and federal marketplaces created under the Affordable Care Act, including 4.1 million who are newly covered and 7.1 million people who transitioned to marketplace plans from another source of coverage.
In addition, among the 12.6 million Americansnewly enrolled in Medicaid, 6.5 million were previously uninsured and 6.1 million were previously insured."
So, what Obamacare did was newly insure only 4.1 million people on plans for which they pay (with many of them getting subsidies), while removing 6.1 million from paid insurance plans and placing them on Medicaid (for which they don't pay). It's a net LOSS of those paying into the system to spread the expense and make insurance more affordable for all. That's why those who have it are complaining they can't afford to use it. Read the CNN and NY Times links I posted.
I'm actually already doing it... just not in the US. Mexico has UHC. It's awesome. Some of the taxes are higher, but health care is crazy cheap for essentially the same services. It's a shame that a country with so many problems with corruption and poverty can still manage to do something right the US can't seem to grasp. Then again, it doesn't have a Republican Party.
I've been to mexico, I couldnt get medical treatment without paying cash in advance, have actually spent months there, with my gf who suffered a huge illness, where we had to fly into Dallas for her to get treatment.
try again
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
Nope, never been homeless, but nor do I believe you ever have been. An experience like that would be pretty perspective altering, and you show zero compassion or empathy for those less fortunate than you. So either you learned nothing or it didn't happen. I'm leaning toward the latter.
What you believe is immaterial, but I note from your previous paragraph the discussion about crime and corruption, but somehow think that wouldnt happen if we followed the same steps... Ridiculous
Not at all true, most who have insurance as a result of ACA had insurance previously, it just moved people from the private sector onto welfare. And because now these people are being paid for by the taxpayer, this increased the cost on everyone who had insurance, thus making it even less affordable
Ironic considering so many of those countries actually have a higher quality of life than the US does.
So... why are Dems not introducing and passing bills/laws to implement a 20-25% VAT tax on everyone, and taxing the middle class at the highest marginal rate?
Those high risk plans were by far much more costly than anything the ACA provides hands down today. Those deductibles where in the $10,000 range, thousands per month in premiums. They where not really supposed to be available but reluctantly so. Also, as mentioned earlier perhaps those risk pools could have moved into welfare? In that case we would not qualify for any kind of welfare what so ever. We were not poor and we did not lack assets, however they where evaporating rapidly. And I will also say we where not freaks, being human/mortal and all, I'm sure it happens by the 10s of thousands of folks per year. Small, yes compared to 350 million citizens.
Paid for how? By instituting a 20-25% VAT tax plus applying the highest marginal income tax rates to the middle class like European and Scandinavian countries do?
Those high rates have been going on before the ACA. A matter of fact, before my boss died, leaving us without coverage/contributor/COBRA our rates where over $800 in premiums per month, just for two, and that was before the ACA. If there was a single payer, where the worker and the employer contribute as a tax, the overhead and the costs would drop like a rock and still come in lower than what many pay into the for-profit middleman, multilayered mess of a cluster funk we have today.
Those high risk plans were by far much more costly than anything the ACA provides hands down today. Those deductibles where in the $10,000 range, thousands per month in premiums. They where not really supposed to be available but reluctantly so. Also, as mentioned earlier perhaps those risk pools could have moved into welfare? In that case we would not qualify for any kind of welfare what so ever. We were not poor and we did not lack assets, however they where evaporating rapidly. And I will also say we where not freaks, being human/mortal and all, I'm sure it happens by the 10s of thousands of folks per year. Small, yes compared to 350 million citizens.
Those policies were far more costly to the few, but now EVERYONE ELSE has to bear the prices to "fix" the small segment that had to pay such huge fees..
Thats MILLIONS who are now paying more, for the housands who had such costly plans.. and many of the new millions, have HIGH DEDUCTIBLES..
one minute high deductibles for a small segment bad.. the next, replacing it with high deductibles for millions, are just fine...
you cant even keep the talking point straight
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Read the CNN and NY Times links I posted.
