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Old 01-07-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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We have been living the Great Depression with social programs for years doubling our national debt under just Obama.

Growth near nothing.
Job growth for our needs near nothing.

Almost 100 million able bodied employable people not participating in the workforce out of a country of 330 million.

No games about false unemployment numbers. We've been at near 30% unemployment for years now.

Zero interest rates have savaged the retirements of people who saved. Yet because we have 19 trillion in debt unless the government screws savers and retirees they/we would be having to pay more interest on the debt.
Here is where the lesson of how bad big government is. Whose benefit does all this work for, the private sector where people take taxes or for government world where they take all the stuff from you they can.

IMO you can't be a progressive/socialist/communist and make America thrive. Nothing about taking from others and giving it to your special friends and special interests for your party makes a country go.

IMO there is no way in the future we can be anything but fiscal conservatives with our money. As a conservative myself of course I believe in helping people. I can see lots of help for the real massively disabled and for the elderly. I can see temporary safety nets in society for anything else.

My reasoning for not believing we can do everything for everybody is the broke factor. Once the funds dry up SS will start when you are older still, maybe 73 with less pay out. People who need their cancer treatment in Medicaid may not have the funds there to do it.
By trying to do everything for everyone we are in fact being cruel down the line to everyone as we incapacitate ourselves to serve our fellow man.

Why not get a balanced budget, grow the economy to support more and quit obsessing about our neighbor's goods versus what we ourselves should just go out and work for?

Maybe it is time we act like adults and grow up fiscally?
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Source for your unemployment figure of near 30%?

BLS says U6 unemployment rate was 9.9% in November

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

Source your wild claims before parading them around as fact
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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We have been living the Great Depression with social programs for years doubling our national debt under just Obama.

Growth near nothing.
Job growth for our needs near nothing.

Almost 100 million able bodied employable people not participating in the workforce out of a country of 330 million.

No games about false unemployment numbers. We've been at near 30% unemployment for years now.

Zero interest rates have savaged the retirements of people who saved. Yet because we have 19 trillion in debt unless the government screws savers and retirees they/we would be having to pay more interest on the debt.
Here is where the lesson of how bad big government is. Whose benefit does all this work for, the private sector where people take taxes or for government world where they take all the stuff from you they can.

IMO you can't be a progressive/socialist/communist and make America thrive. Nothing about taking from others and giving it to your special friends and special interests for your party makes a country go.

IMO there is no way in the future we can be anything but fiscal conservatives with our money. As a conservative myself of course I believe in helping people. I can see lots of help for the real massively disabled and for the elderly. I can see temporary safety nets in society for anything else.

My reasoning for not believing we can do everything for everybody is the broke factor. Once the funds dry up SS will start when you are older still, maybe 73 with less pay out. People who need their cancer treatment in Medicaid may not have the funds there to do it.
By trying to do everything for everyone we are in fact being cruel down the line to everyone as we incapacitate ourselves to serve our fellow man.

Why not get a balanced budget, grow the economy to support more and quit obsessing about our neighbor's goods versus what we ourselves should just go out and work for?

Maybe it is time we act like adults and grow up fiscally?
The largest segment of your "100 million able bodied employable people" includes retired people like my 90 year father in law who isn't looking for work. He is living off of healthy retirement savings and social security.

So I agree stop the games with false unemployment claims.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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The largest segment of your "100 million able bodied employable people" includes retired people like my 90 year father in law who isn't looking for work. He is living off of healthy retirement savings and social security.

So I agree stop the games with false unemployment claims.
Your 90 year old father in law would have been in his 80's during the Bush years, but people expected him to work then..

just saying...
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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Source for your unemployment figure of near 30%?

BLS says U6 unemployment rate was 9.9% in November

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

Source your wild claims before parading them around as fact

I explained it above, so don't be a denier.
My son in the second grade can tell you that when you take 100 million people out of nearly 300 million that is somewhere near 30%, not 9%. 29.39% is almost exactly the real non participation rate unemployment figure.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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The largest segment of your "100 million able bodied employable people" includes retired people like my 90 year father in law who isn't looking for work. He is living off of healthy retirement savings and social security.

So I agree stop the games with false unemployment claims.
No, 90 year old people are not part of the employable people in the non participation rate.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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Everyone sees here the problem with big government lovers. The fact we are going broke and won't be able to pay for SS or Medicaid is not discussed. They want to pretend this is OK and we can go on as we have before. Look at our situation, is something going on or not that we need to fix?

This is why we have this divide in politics, how little gets done and why until we get fiscal conservatism we are going to have to stop more and more social programs down the line.

If I tell my seven year old that half his allowance has to go to his neighbor's kid he tells me I'm crazy. There is more critical thinking in a seven year old's head IMO than a liberal adult. A seven year old knows there is something unethical about having your stuff taken. Biblically Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods.

So rather than rob Peter to pay Paul to vote for you, maybe we need to balance a budget and stick to a more modest social program agenda so we can do social programs for a long time.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No games about false unemployment numbers. We've been at near 30% unemployment for years now.
Yep, we have been there for well over two hundred years now.

It was worse when women didn't work. The "unemployment" was well over 60%.

Its Obama's fault.

Impeach now!
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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Yep, we have been there for well over two hundred years now.

It was worse when women didn't work. The "unemployment" was well over 60%.
BINGO.. and people at that time earned more money overall adjusted for inflation.

Next question.. WHY?

Of course its because less access to labor, with continuing demand results in higher salaries.

Which makes me wonder why the left believes its a great idea to import more illegals who will work for even less..
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Yep, we have been there for well over two hundred years now.

It was worse when women didn't work. The "unemployment" was well over 60%.

Its Obama's fault.

Impeach now!
Back to the good old Dickens days of 95% employment with women and children working!
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