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Old 01-08-2016, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by LetsRock View Post
Gun "nut" = mental illness = getting put on a government list= losing your right to bear arms. See how that works?
No, I don't see how that works, because you made it up. It is a fear you have, nothing that is possible in our current political climate. The courts have shown themselves reluctant to let government, family members, etc. define people as mentally ill.

A large majority of the American public including gun owners supports background checks and has for a long time. Polls have already come out showing that the American public supports Obama's initiative. This issue is a loser for the GOP and NRA.

People tune you out and label you as "gun nuts", because if you oppose background checks you are obviously not interested in taking even the most uninjurious steps to help curb gun violence. Even if you think that background checks won't keep criminals from getting guns, you certainly can't argue that background checks help criminals get guns. All of you big tough guys crying about how "infringed" you feel by having to fill out a background check at a gun show. Oh, the anguish. Poor babies. Meanwhile you don't propose any meaningful steps to curb gun violence.

The problem, psychologically, is that you are focused on yourself. With you, society is a one-way street. It's "I, I, I, me, me, me, mine, mine, mine." Everything is your "rights", and nothing has to do with your responsibility to others.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: DFW
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A large majority of the American public including gun owners supports background checks and has for a long time. Polls have already come out showing that the American public supports Obama's initiative. This issue is a loser for the GOP and NRA.
I don't buy it. If a large majority supported more controls, laws would be passed through Congress.
Just the opposite. Most Americans do not support and Congress is listening to the people.

Also, the Constitution protects the rights of the Minority from the whims of the majority.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So if I buy a gun and my wife or son needs to use it because I'm not around, they should not be able to fire the weapon?

If I want to loan my shotgun to a friend to do a little trap shooting, he could not use?

Why don't they use the same technology for autos to prevent theft? That way only you could drive your car.

Also, If someone can hack your computer or cable box, they can easily hack this software.


Especially poignant because automobiles kill more people than do guns. And there isn't even a Constitutional Right to keep and bear automobiles.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So if I buy a gun and my wife or son needs to use it because I'm not around, they should not be able to fire the weapon ?
If I want to loan my shotgun to a friend to do a little trap shooting, he could not use ?

Why don't they use the same technology for autos to prevent theft? That way only you could drive your car.

Also, If someone can hack your computer or cable box, they can easily hack this software.
It would be no more difficult than unlocking a cell phone or rooting one.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I don't buy it. If a large majority supported more controls, laws would be passed through Congress.
Just the opposite. Most Americans do not support and Congress is listening to the people.

Also, the Constitution protects the rights of the Minority from the whims of the majority.
Let me help you out, since you seem unclear on the concept.

Google "background checks support American public."

You're welcome.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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Just one reason of many... It would prevent a safety course trained user (spouse, responsible teen child, etc.) from using another household member's gun for self-defense. It's too restrictive. If my husband goes to check out a noise downstairs and gets incapacitated by an intruder, why shouldn't I have the ability to use one of his guns to protect myself?

Or are you admitting that by implementing such technology, every American should have their own gun on them at all times?
I'm saying that it would be the choice of the owner. that's what I said not ALL people would purchase one, but SOME would. Maybe I want it to be restrictive. Why would NRA try to take away that choice and prevent progress which could help some situations?
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Let me help you out, since you seem unclear on the concept.

Google "background checks support American public."

You're welcome.
We understand how angry your type is that you are on the losing side of this issue, but there is help as close as a mental health professional.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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We understand how angry your type is that you are on the losing side of this issue, but there is help as close as a mental health professional.
I support background checks, as do an overwhelming majority of Americans, including gun owners.

That's the "winning" side of the issue, especially since background checks were just mandated at gun shows.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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No, I don't see how that works, because you made it up. It is a fear you have, nothing that is possible in our current political climate. The courts have shown themselves reluctant to let government, family members, etc. define people as mentally ill.

A large majority of the American public including gun owners supports background checks and has for a long time. Polls have already come out showing that the American public supports Obama's initiative. This issue is a loser for the GOP and NRA.

People tune you out and label you as "gun nuts", because if you oppose background checks you are obviously not interested in taking even the most uninjurious steps to help curb gun violence. Even if you think that background checks won't keep criminals from getting guns, you certainly can't argue that background checks help criminals get guns. All of you big tough guys crying about how "infringed" you feel by having to fill out a background check at a gun show. Oh, the anguish. Poor babies. Meanwhile you don't propose any meaningful steps to curb gun violence.

The problem, psychologically, is that you are focused on yourself. With you, society is a one-way street. It's "I, I, I, me, me, me, mine, mine, mine." Everything is your "rights", and nothing has to do with your responsibility to others.

Would you consider a woman traumatized due to a rape as being "mentally ill"?
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Would you consider a woman traumatized due to a rape as being "mentally ill"?
What is your point?
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