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Bismarck State College tuition ( not room and board, fees, and books ) is $2,808 per year for in-state residents.
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Pell Grants are capped at $5,500/yr
I fail to see how pell will not cover it.
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Originally Posted by marigolds6
Pell Grants are capped at $5,500/yr ($33,000 lifetime). That will not even pay for one year at Bismarck State, the cheapest public school in the country.
What happens to the kids who aren't college material? Where do they fit in? Do they get free trade school? They should. Not everyone is cut out for college.
You know the military pays taxes on their wages too, right?
The taxpayers are paying for your schooling, correct? You can't try to worm out of this one. The taxpayers pay, for schooling, for your paycheck. Did you or the taxpayers pay for your schooling?
The taxpayers are paying for your schooling, correct? You can't try to worm out of this one. The taxpayers pay, for schooling, for your paycheck. Did you or the taxpayers pay for your schooling?
Worm out of what? First off, I haven't been in the military since 2010. Second, the taxpayers (including me) paid for my schooling because I'm a war vet and actually did something. I could've easily sat around and demanded free schooling with no contribution on my end, but I made an contractual agreement with the government. I also paid for further education myself (along with my spouse's). You know what that resulted in? Me paying 4k in taxes MONTHLY after I got a better position. Have you ever paid 48k just in taxes? You know what I could've done with 48k? A lot of people don't even gross that.
If you have a problem with any veteran receiving educational benefits, that's something you need to take up with Veterans Affairs. I'm paying for another veteran's schooling right now, you mad? I'm not.
Worm out of what? First off, I haven't been in the military since 2010. Second, the taxpayers (including me) paid for my schooling because I'm a war vet and actually did something. I could've easily sat around and demanded free schooling with no contribution on my end, but I made an contractual agreement with the government. I also paid for further education myself (along with my spouse's). You know what that resulted in? Me paying 4k in taxes MONTHLY after I got a better position. Have you ever paid 48k just in taxes? You know what I could've done with 48k? A lot of people don't even gross that.
If you have a problem with any veteran receiving educational benefits, that's something you need to take up with Veterans Affairs. I'm paying for another veteran's schooling right now, you mad? I'm not.
So you got free tuition. Of course you're not mad paying for some veteran's tuition because you got free tuition yourself from all the rest of us. Yet here you are complaining about free tuition. Oh the irony.
Bismarck State College tuition ( not room and board, fees, and books ) is $2,808 per year for in-state residents.
you said:
Pell Grants are capped at $5,500/yr
I fail to see how pell will not cover it.
I didn't say "wouldn't pay tuition" I said "would not pay for". Excluding mandatory fees is pretty disingenuous when you are talking about the cost of attendance.
Also, tuition alone is $2145.96 per semester for in state residents. Not sure where you got that number. It's $2517.36 per semester for in state residents including mandatory fees. https://bismarckstate.edu/uploads/re...-worksheet.pdf
Through in the estimated $650/semester for books and a ton of different class fees depending on major, but generally $250/semester regardless of major, and there is no way $5,500/yr covers it.
And still, this is the cheapest public school in the country (according to US News and World Report) http://www.usnews.com/education/best...state-students
Bismarck State College tuition ( not room and board, fees, and books ) is $2,808 per year for in-state residents.
you said:
Pell Grants are capped at $5,500/yr
I fail to see how pell will not cover it.
Yeah well, not everyone can afford to up and move to Bismarck, North Dakota a year in advance or whatever is needed to qualify for that in-state tuition. And that's assuming an 18 year old can easily get hired there from out of state.
I was 17 when I left home. I couldn't even find a legal job where I lived until I was 18.
Interesting that you exclude the unavoidable associated costs. I guess that wouldn't help your argument that anyone can go to college for free/cheap.
I agree. We should put a cap on tuition and fees charged by any college or university where the students receive federal student loans or grants. Say cap tuition at $6k a year (minus any state taxpayer funding). It's up to the university to figure out how to contain their costs and offer an education at a reasonable cost, or lose both funding and students. No different than any private business-offer a quality product at a competitive price. Our education industry is one of the very few where there are no checks and balances on quality and pricing, at least since the government got in the business of handing out grants and loans.
Businesses can and have in the past responded by offering tuition and scholarships for promising students in degree programs of value to the company. I went through such a program that alternated between a semester of schooling with a semester of work at the company-the wages during the work sessions were about sufficient to pay education costs. We should be encouraging businesses to do so now. And in many cases they do. Many offer tuition assistance for employees to continue their education, and others offer apprenticeships.
Just don't expect much of a reward from businesses for degrees in "basket weaving" majors.
How about a cap on salaries paid by the universities? Coaches, professors that teach only a few courses, administrators - they make a LOT of money, which is passed down to the students. Just capping tuition without capping salaries would only mean that taxes would have to be raised to take up the slack at public universities.
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