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Old 02-23-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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One doesn't even have to be in active duty to get GI benefits so that argument is totally null & void. The whole idea is laughable. "I'm so sick of people wanting free things, I'm tired of people complaining about paying for things"....."oh look, I get school for free!" You know who I'd rather have my taxpayer money go towards?


A person who's had a hard time in life looking to get their life on track with education. Someone who probably doesn't have the money, nor does their family, to get an education.

yeah rich white "poor" millenials. Not everyone qualifies as what you described above.



Not some military person who probably didn't lift a finger in a danger zone the whole time they served then has the audacity to complain about higher education & calls people lazy or undeserving when they themselves got theirs paid for by us taxpayers.


I can see you really loath our men and women in uniform protecting our country so you can be an idiot. They are the people I respect the most. Not some snot nosed millenial whose baby boomer parents coddled and got a trophy to sit on the bench all season.

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Old 02-23-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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A college degree has become a necessity for upward mobility for most people. Entirely free college is a bit impractical, but what's happening now sure isn't sustainable unless America wants to grow increasingly poorer and more stratified. If you don't aim for the extreme, you won't get even half that.

The problem isn't the Millennials, it's the more mature generations who have—by a long series of selfish and shortsighted mistakes—created a situation in which our children will very likely be worse off than we are. The Boomers and even the Gen-Xers (like me) have been terrible economic stewards. Any one of us who would be indignant about the wishes of Millennials for dramatic relief from the nightmare we've made for them should look very hard in the mirror. We've done this. They are only reacting to it.
I beg your pardon. I didn't insist on easy money. Government mingling for votes is at fault. Politicians only care about short term results (for votes) but never look at the long term fallout. These kids are living with the result of long term fallout.

The 1st thing to do is stop looking to government to fix things. Anytime the government changes policy in the name of helping the poor the middle class end up not being able to afford it. The government always makes more poor.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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I can see you really loath our men and women in uniform protecting our country so you can be an idiot. They are the people I respect the most. Not some snot nosed millenial whose baby boomer parents coddled and got a trophy to sit on the bench all season.
You GO! the fragile! And they want socialism. They are in for a rude a wakening but it's working for the politicians now. Hitler called these types "useful idiots". The kids will be disappointed when reality hits them in the face. In my day, my dad would have let me have it if I had their of attitude and rightfully so.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Should be based on ROI. If the ROI on a college education is negligible or negative, it should be priced accordingly.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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How about a cap on salaries paid by the universities? Coaches, professors that teach only a few courses, administrators - they make a LOT of money, which is passed down to the students. Just capping tuition without capping salaries would only mean that taxes would have to be raised to take up the slack at public universities.
My comment included "minus any state taxpayer funding", meaning $8k total, including state welfare to the universities. I agree-they need to be run like a business and focus on providing a quality product at a competitive price. Not taxpayer funded entertainment. If that means slashing sports and other programs and focusing on education, so be it.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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Should be based on ROI. If the ROI on a college education is negligible or negative, it should be priced accordingly.
Should government set that scale up. Next we'll have teachers sent to DC to get politicians to increase ROI on basketweaving.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: London
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I beg your pardon. I didn't insist on easy money. Government mingling for votes is at fault. Politicians only care about short term results (for votes) but never look at the long term fallout. These kids are living with the result of long term fallout.

The 1st thing to do is stop looking to government to fix things. Anytime the government changes policy in the name of helping the poor the middle class end up not being able to afford it. The government always makes more poor.
You bring up an interesting point.

I wonder if it might help to have longer terms in political office. Election/campaigning season seems to always be around the corner, so everything is decided on getting more votes the next time around. So the focus horizon is always 4 years or less. It penalizes long-term thinking. Even if you wanted to carry-out a plan that could take decades to realize the benefits of, you'll have to drop the ball after a few years, and the successor more often than not simply reinvents the wheel of abandons it altogether.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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College is something required to participate in the 21st century economy. Tax increases on the 1% should pay for it.

But I'm sure old conservatives on this board complain that taxes pay for K-12 education, the only education required of them to thrive in the past.
The 1% ain't got enough money to pay for it. AS even Bernie admits socialism requires middle class tax hikes. Studies have shown that college support programs are regressive in nature. The lower classes end up subsidizing the upper classes.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Somerset UK
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Yep, they created spoiled children who want everything handed to them.
I'm not denying that may well be part of the problem, but it wouldn't be the bulk of it.


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I beg your pardon. I didn't insist on easy money. Government mingling for votes is at fault. Politicians only care about short term results (for votes) but never look at the long term fallout. These kids are living with the result of long term fallout.

The 1st thing to do is stop looking to government to fix things. Anytime the government changes policy in the name of helping the poor the middle class end up not being able to afford it. The government always makes more poor.

I'm talking about collective responsibility, not personal. Generations. And voters only look at short-term results as well. Everyone does. That's the problem.

And the middle class is what's at risk here, not the poor. The cost of higher education plays a significant role in why it's shrinking.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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actually it was my remarks in red. just saying.


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You GO! the fragile! And they want socialism. They are in for a rude a wakening but it's working for the politicians now. Hitler called these types "useful idiots". The kids will be disappointed when reality hits them in the face. In my day, my dad would have let me have it if I had their of attitude and rightfully so.
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