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Old 03-20-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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Many liberals support bringing muslim refugees to the states, yet muslims fundamentally hate what liberals stand for. I'm not being facetious here; can someone help me understand, or point out where I err?
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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Many liberals support bringing muslim refugees to the states, yet muslims fundamentally hate what liberals stand for. I'm not being facetious here; can someone help me understand, or point out where I err?
So you're admitting that radical Islam loves what conservatives stand for?

Yeah...we knew that.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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So you're admitting that radical Islam loves what conservatives stand for?

Yeah...we knew that.
No, you've understood the question wrong, then you got defensive and twisted it. There are more liberals that want to bring in immigrants than conservatives. Why? I'm asking an honest question here.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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See Trump's reading of the snake by Al Wilson for how the story ends. They think they can change them after they have been raised all there life to hate what America stands for or used to stand for. Now it will pretty much lay down and get pumped like a two dollar hooker.

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Old 03-20-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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Dang it. No one is taking me seriously here.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh (via Chicago, via Pittsburgh)
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Many liberals support bringing muslim refugees to the states, yet muslims fundamentally hate what liberals stand for. I'm not being facetious here; can someone help me understand, or point out where I err?
The refugee situation is complicated, and your question is a good one. Not all people with liberal values "want to bring muslim refugees to the states". Some do. Some want to bring some, some want all who wish to come, some want none. As someone who has progressive leanings, I am also often confused when many on the left so vehemently support anything Islam (and even deny that there is a problem with the radical views of a subset of their population), yet at the same time they support feminism. I am one of those progressives who loathes the "Regressive Left", and many of their absurd stances. On the issue of refugees, though, I think many liberals are looking past the issue of the refugees being muslim, and just looking at the fact that they are human beings. I am a humanist, and though I disagree with Islam to the nth degree, I also support equal rights and don't use one's religion as a sole factor refusing their status as a refugee. I don't want hoards of refugees entering the country (no matter their religion), but I think a reasonable and internationally cooperative initiative to place innocent refugees in places throughout the world with proper vetting is reasonable (including the US). What I (and many others) support most, however is foreign policy that doesn't include going to war with the wrong country, destabilizing regions, and using corporate welfare to support sanctioned dictators (like the Saudis) due to oil interest, but I digress....

Hope that answers some of your question, at least from my point of view.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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No, you've understood the question wrong, then you got defensive and twisted it. There are more liberals that want to bring in immigrants than conservatives. Why? I'm asking an honest question here.
Why don't conservatives accept the refugees is a better question. You got it backwards ask the naysayers why?
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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Dang it. No one is taking me seriously here.
I take you seriously. You won't get a good answer. Analyze it yourself then you have your answer
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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The refugee situation is complicated, and your question is a good one. Not all people with liberal values "want to bring muslim refugees to the states". Some do. Some want to bring some, some want all who wish to come, some want none. As someone who has progressive leanings, I am also often confused when many on the left so vehemently support anything Islam (and even deny that there is a problem with the radical views of a subset of their population), yet at the same time they support feminism. I am one of those progressives who loathes the "Regressive Left", and many of their absurd stances. On the issue of refugees, though, I think many liberals are looking past the issue of the refugees being muslim, and just looking at the fact that they are human beings. I am a humanist, and though I disagree with Islam to the nth degree, I also support equal rights and don't use one's religion as a sole factor refusing their status as a refugee. I don't want hoards of refugees entering the country (no matter their religion), but I think a reasonable and internationally cooperative initiative to place innocent refugees in places throughout the world with proper vetting is reasonable (including the US). What I (and many others) support most, however is foreign policy that doesn't include going to war with the wrong country, destabilizing regions, and using corporate welfare to support sanctioned dictators (like the Saudis) due to oil interest, but I digress....

Hope that answers some of your question, at least from my point of view.
That was great, actually. Thanks!
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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So you're admitting that radical Islam loves what conservatives stand for?

Yeah...we knew that.
nice try, but you have failed to remember that conservatives are trying to block bringing refugee muslims here.

as for the liberals wanting to bring them here, most that do think that somehow if they show some kind of compassion to these people that somehow the radicals will stop hating america, and we can all have a cumbya moment.
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