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Old 03-26-2016, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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There is nothing the West can offer radicals to appease them short of our conversion to Islam. They want the West's utter destruction. The Muslims living comfortably in the West who don't say anything are just as culpable for the violence as the Islamic radicals.
You think ISIS is a democratic institution and are influenced by people marching in the streets. You can have a Million Muslims March on Washington all year and it won't make a dent in what ISIS does. And while we are it let's dispense with the idea that a few Muslims rising will reform Islam. Islam is what it is. There is enough in the Koran to make people do what they do. Nothing short of rewriting it will change that and that is not in the cards. In the meantime, only good intelligence will save us. Get them before they get us. You can move the security perimeter all the way back to your front door and someone will bring a bomb to your front door.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:43 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Muslims are commanded to kill non-Muslims. The Quran's Verses of Violence
Fortunately, some Muslims reject these commands, but they are in a sense hijacking their religion. The reason they don't speak out is that in doing so, they would be labeled apostates by other Muslims for saying you should not follow some of Mohammed's commands. They fear reprisal from true Muslims.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:56 PM
 
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Muslims are commanded to kill non-Muslims. The Quran's Verses of Violence
Fortunately, some Muslims reject these commands, but they are in a sense hijacking their religion. The reason they don't speak out is that in doing so, they would be labeled apostates by other Muslims for saying you should not follow some of Mohammed's commands. They fear reprisal from true Muslims.
It's not some Muslims reject these commands, the overwhelming majority do. There is no Muslim country on Earth that actively persecutes and kills as many non-Muslims as they can find on their territory. Boko Haram and ISIS don't count, they are not countries.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Who will be the candidate to do the most to keep us safe. We have seen the huge failure due to compassion and PC in Europe.
20 years of the radicalism in the making in the hundreds of mosques in Europe and due to PC nothing was done and still not enough us done.

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Germany needs guestworkers. Whether they're Islamic, or Philippines, or Spanish or Irish - I don't think the German government nor their industry nor their economy care where precisely, their workers come from. The failure to incorporate guestworkers, especially Islamic, into the civil culture of Germany & Belgium & France may be symptomatic of those cultures in general. France has been struggling with Islamic forces since their colonial days in Africa - a bloody tapestry & very ugly history, indeed. Belgium's reign of terror in the Belgian Congo shouldn't need much exposition - if you're curious, look them up in Wikipedia or your source of choice.


Germany went very far off the rails of civilized discourse in WWI and WWII, but especially in WWII. I think we in the US have - for all our failure of execution, granted - a much better framework & @ least a far superior theoretically doable process for incorporating various cultures, languages, religions & so on, into the polity. It's often enough not a pretty picture either - but pace our own Civil War, we don't usually resort to gunpowder & acts of terrorism.


& just to be clear, Germany brings in guestworkers because they need them, not out of PC nor compassion. It comes down to demographics - Germany industry is productive, but Germany as a polity doesn't produce enough people to fill all the available slots. In the case of France & Belgium, somehow those countries have allowed Islamic ghettos to form & persist. I think that's partially due to peculiarities of those country's histories, @ least in France's case. I'm not familiar with Belgium's history in terms of Islamic immigration.


The other point is that Western Europe needs to break free of Middle East oil (& Russian natgas, too). We in the US are now net exporters, I believe of oil & natgas - a first for us in decades. Until W. Europe brings other energy sources online - they're working on it - they need to continue to cultivate Middle Eastern & Russian sources of supply.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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Our elite doesn't care about radical Islam. They want slaves and have determined muslims are amenable to authoritarian governments.


To not be a slave, you have to overthrow the uniparty.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:28 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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as does Israel.
We'd be less of target if we stopped our undying support of Israel
And Europe is so pro-Israel.

Haven't you figured it out yet? Israel is not the issue. We are ALL infidels.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:43 PM
 
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as does Israel.
We'd be less of target if we stopped our undying support of Israel
Sure, let's continue to give money to Egypt and other ME countries so they won't attack Israel, where we get nothing else in return, but quit helping Israel who gives us technology. At least Israel gives us very valuable return on our investment. If we stop supporting them now, the rest of the Muslim world would not just suddenly decide to leave us alone. So why abandon the only free democracy in the ME?
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Old 03-27-2016, 12:57 AM
 
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as does Israel.
We'd be less of target if we stopped our undying support of Israel
We also may be less of a target of we launched gays off buildings and made our women wear capes to hide their face and body. Do you recommend that as well?
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Old 03-27-2016, 01:05 AM
 
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It's not just if the refugees are radical - in France and Belgium, they were second generation citizens. Muslim terrorism will not go away with ISIS, it will be a battle we fight for decades. Truthfully, I don't care what they do to each other in their hell holes over in the Middle East. We should pull back our presence from there, secure our borders, and stop allowing people from the Middle East to migrate here. Quite simply, less Muslims, less chance for terrorism.

Let's say you are a grade school teacher - would you bring in a bowl of m&m's for the kids to eat if you knew there were bound to be a few poisonous m&m's in there? Certainly not all the m&m's will be poisonous and maybe only one or two kids in your class die. But really, where's the upside? The downside is tremendous.
Do you know why the poisoned food scenario doesn't work? You can say the exact same thing about any group of people with it. Most men don't rape, but some do. Most black men aren't in gangs, but some are. Most white men aren't serial killers or mass murderers, but some are. Do you want to take your chances with (insert group of people here) knowing some of them might be dangerous to you?

Do you see the flaw?
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Old 03-27-2016, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Do you know why the poisoned food scenario doesn't work? You can say the exact same thing about any group of people with it. Most men don't rape, but some do. Most black men aren't in gangs, but some are. Most white men aren't serial killers or mass murderers, but some are. Do you want to take your chances with (insert group of people here) knowing some of them might be dangerous to you?

Do you see the flaw?


I know how we protect the public from rapist and gang members without destroying everyone else`s freedoms, but how do we protect the public from suicide bombers without destroying everyone else`s freedoms?
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