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Old 04-10-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
It will backfire. BIG time.

You see, parents aren't too keen on having their MINOR kids FORCED to involuntarily submit to FELONY indecent exposure while in their own school, in their own community park district facilities, in state park/campground facilities, etc., ALL supported by the taxes they pay.
This law will not hold up, removing that ability to sue based on discrimination based on sexual preference. First couple that is refused service this will come to pass, it's already backfired with the loss of business.


Other cities already have these laws, the special situations created are just drama.

 
Old 04-10-2016, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Unless that man is a trans man, then he is required by law to use that bathroom now.



This guy, is now REQUIRED to use the ladies room.
If that is a woman he must be taking hormones.. if he is really a woman , why didn't she take female hormones.. now this woman looks like she is on massive steroids and it is a lie of what God created her to be..

I know of one man who turned himself into a woman.. he was a rough looking man.. when he got sick he regretted changing his sex.. he was very unhappy . He changed his whole body.. he died with great remorse.

Many truck drivers pooled money for him to see a shrink..the shrink told the guy - do what you want.. he did and his daughter wound up in a mental ward .. she had lost her mother and came home one day with her father dressed as a woman..put her over the edge. She was vulnerable mentally when her mother died.. and then her father became a woman..

Must be a shock to find your dad, who was a tough looking truck driver , to put on a dress and a wig and go around town dressed like that.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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If that is a woman he must be taking hormones.. if he is really a woman , why didn't she take female hormones.. now this woman looks like she is on massive steroids and it is a lie of what God created her to be..
Buck was BORN a woman and is partially transitioned, but is legally a woman. Buck is now REQUIRED BY LAW to use the ladies restroom in NC.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This law will not hold up, removing that ability to sue based on discrimination based on sexual preference.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Illinois school district fiasco is creating a HUGE backlash, even among usual Dem voters with school-age kids, and even blue state Illinois will be looking to pass legislation that protects MINORS' right to NOT be sexually abused in school.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 07:06 PM
 
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How long have we had single-sex locker rooms and showers in schools? Keep it that way. Have male genitalia? Use the boys' facilities. Have female genitalia? Use the girls' facilities. There is NO way it's appropriate for a male to expose his genitals to MINOR female students in a girls' school locker room, shower, or restroom. State laws, in fact, identify such as FELONY indecent exposure.
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You're joking, right? Indecent exposure is unwanted exposure. Boys undressing in an all-boys locker room with the same body parts, for the function of dressing or undressing, is not indecent. Women and girls do not want strange men and boys undressing in front of them or to be forced to expose themselves to strange men and boys when having to undress. We have laws against someone opening their coat to people in public and showing their genitals, even if they are not touching that person or making any verbal threats. It has to do with privacy, feelings of safety, and emotional harassment.
No, I am serious, you both seem to be against a boy exposing himself to a girl, but completely fine with a boy exposing himself to other boys. That is called hypocrisy. Children shouldn't have to get naked in front of other children.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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You see no problem with a bald tattooed muscular male identifying person using the ladies room?
You don't think this may cause an issue?

Not all state allow changes to birth certificates, and you have to go to the state you were born in to change them.
Buck Angel's choice not to complete his transition and get a penis is on him, not the rest of society. And yeah, if you look like that but keep your female vulva and refuse penile surgery then your transition is NOT complete. If you take hormones, have your breasts removed, do everything else to change your body to match what you feel is your inner gender identity, then why stop at the genitalia? The rest of the world does not have to confirm to the wishes of a fraction of a percent of confused people.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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No, I am serious, you both seem to be against a boy exposing himself to a girl, but completely fine with a boy exposing himself to other boys. That is called hypocrisy. Children shouldn't have to get naked in front of other children.
What universe are you living in? Are boys generally opposed to using locker rooms and bathrooms with other boys? Funny how men's bathrooms everywhere since forever have urinals out in the open, if men everywhere consider that indecent exposure. For children who are shy about undressing, there are a few individual stalls, but in these transgender cases we have people who refuse even single-use gender neutral bathrooms. They want to bully their way into locker rooms and restrooms when there's already an alternative that suits both sides. Anyway if you are so concerned about indecent exposure in single sex locker rooms, why would you want to ADD to that and make it mixed sex?!

You are also ignoring that men are generally stronger than women, and that while women can be violent and predatory it is overwhelming males sexually preying on females not the other way around.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Illinois school district fiasco is creating a HUGE backlash, even among usual Dem voters with school-age kids, and even blue state Illinois will be looking to pass legislation that protects MINORS' right to NOT be sexually abused in school.
Pass a law to allow discrimination and then remove the ability to sue in court in the same law.


Tell me if they're on such solid ground why the need to remove law suits from the state courts, this is a dream come true for law firms.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Buck Angel's choice not to complete his transition and get a penis is on him, not the rest of society. And yeah, if you look like that but keep your female vulva and refuse penile surgery then your transition is NOT complete. If you take hormones, have your breasts removed, do everything else to change your body to match what you feel is your inner gender identity, then why stop at the genitalia? The rest of the world does not have to confirm to the wishes of a fraction of a percent of confused people.
Why not finish?

It's very expensive.
FTM is not easy.
FTM has functional issues post op.
He isn't willing to take that risk.
He just doesn't want to.

The point still stands that Buck is now required by law to use the ladies room. Where as before he could have just went to the mens room and no one would have raised an eyebrow.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 08:37 PM
 
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What universe are you living in? Are boys generally opposed to using locker rooms and bathrooms with other boys? Funny how men's bathrooms everywhere since forever have urinals out in the open, if men everywhere consider that indecent exposure. For children who are shy about undressing, there are a few individual stalls, but in these transgender cases we have people who refuse even single-use gender neutral bathrooms. They want to bully their way into locker rooms and restrooms when there's already an alternative that suits both sides. Anyway if you are so concerned about indecent exposure in single sex locker rooms, why would you want to ADD to that and make it mixed sex?!

You are also ignoring that men are generally stronger than women, and that while women can be violent and predatory it is overwhelming males sexually preying on females not the other way around.
So let me get this straight, there are individual stalls for children and transgender children to use, but it isn't okay for a transgender person to use these stalls?

You also seem to forget that we are talking about teens here, and not adults.

If you are concerned about men in the women's room, then I hate to break it to you, the W on the door isn't going to stop a man from entering that wishes to prey on women. Also, if you make it so transgender can't use the restroom they identify with, then how do you know that man in the women's restroom doesn't have a vagina or was born a woman?
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