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This is such a silly, nonsensical argument. It costs the cake maker nothing to do his job, but it costs the customer their dignity if the cake maker refuses to take the customer's money. There is no law that says you are allowed to discriminate for whatever reason you want, and there is no passage in the Bible that says "Thou shalt not bake cakes for the gays." It's just plain intolerance and there's no way around that. And tolerating intolerance isn't tolerance. It's cowardice.
And would you be making this argument if a baker was turning away Christians or white people rather than gays?
There is no law that says everyone around you is required to protect your dignity.
And baker's refusal to bake the cake is because he is against gay marriage... NOT GAY PEOPLE... gay marriage.
Cakes are not part of the wedding ceremony. Bakers are not part of the wedding ceremony.
Man, you people REEEALLY are splitting hairs here.
Cakes are part of the gay wedding or any wedding for that matter. If they were not, there would be no story here, no issue.
The baker does not want to P A R T I C I P A T E in a gay wedding because of his religious beliefs.
I'd say fine, thanks for letting me know, and support someone else. Someone not opposed to my "lifestyle". Much as I choose to do in other areas. I wouldn't force them to take my money. Well, unless I was feeling like a particularly entitled bully, empowered by idiotic laws.
Exactly. I prefer to know if a business is bigoted or hostile towards me or my beliefs, so I know to avoid patronizing them.
There are a great number of companies and public figures who openly state their hostility towards people with right-of-center beliefs. I'm glad they're so open about it, so I can avoid giving them money.
This is such a silly, nonsensical argument. It costs the cake maker nothing to do his job, but it costs the customer their dignity if the cake maker refuses to take the customer's money.
Except that it would cost the baker to compromise his ethics and morals to provide the cake.
Baking the cake and providing it for use in the event is a contribution to the event. Period.
And being black isn't a choice. That's why it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of color. Getting married IS a choice... not a natural condition of birth. It's an entirely different category.
Why is this so hard for so many?
The cake is not part of the wedding ceremony. It is not even seen until after the couple are married. The cake is not in the church, or pushed down the aisle. It is not required to be there for the couple to get married. It is served at the reception.
Being gay isn't a choice. But religion is, and you can not refuse service to someone based on their religious beliefs.
And baker's refusal to bake the cake is because he is against gay marriage... NOT GAY PEOPLE... gay marriage.
This is what liberals and the politically correct cannot seem to comprehend.
This also completely vindicates the point of the original post, that tolerance IS a one way street among the left.
The business is open to the public, yes? Then yeah, they pretty much do have the power to make the Christian baker make the cake.
If you can't serve the general public freely and without prejudice don't open a public business.
So do you have the right to go into a Jewish bakery and demand a cake with a huge swastika on it? Under your rules he MUST make it for you, right?
Can you go into a black owned bakery and demand a cake depicting a lynching because it will be used at a KKK rally? Under your rules he MUST make it for you, right?
Yes or no?
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