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Old 04-18-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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The Supreme Court appeared closely divided along ideological lines during oral arguments Monday in a case that could torpedo the Obama administration's controversial executive actions on immigration.

Conservative justices questioned President Barack Obama's authority to use executive actions to prevent 4 million undocumented immigrants from being deported. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito seemed particularly concerned with language in the administration's guidance that said the program's recipients would be "lawfully present," but in violation of immigration law.
The liberals on the bench seemed sympathetic to the administration's arguments. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted at one point that "priorities" had to be set given there are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, and suggested that was what the President was trying to achieve.






Whats there to be divided on? He bypassed congress illegally and manipulated immigration laws.


Supreme Court divided on Obama's immigration actions - CNNPolitics.com
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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Time to impeach some justices if they can't decide against this.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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Time to impeach some justices if they can't decide against this.
I guarantee if anthony scallia was still alive , this whole matter would have been decided quickly. Its a no brainer that he bypassed congress and made up his own laws. It should clearly be seen as a violation of the constitution....
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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Going to be some mess in Texas if the supreme court splits.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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Going to be some mess in Texas if the supreme court splits.
I read that if they do split, that the case gets thrown down to lower courts. Which would actually complicate Mr.Obama's devious plan . It probably will stall it until he is out of office.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Whats there to be divided on? He bypassed congress illegally and manipulated immigration laws.

Supreme Court divided on Obama's immigration actions - CNNPolitics.com
The article explains why they are divided. They are not reviewing whether or not Obama "illegally bypassed Congress". They are reviewing whether or not the EO can stay as-is.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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The article explains why they are divided.
I know , I read their reasons...Im just stating the obvious reason why it should not be divided..
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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I know , I read their reasons...Im just stating the obvious reason why it should not be divided..
Well, they are not reviewing "illegal bypassing of Congress".

The whole thing is a moot, considering Obama will be out of WH within months.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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I read that if they do split, that the case gets thrown down to lower courts. Which would actually complicate Mr.Obama's devious plan . It probably will stall it until he is out of office.
If they split then the lower court ruling stays in effect and the illegal immigrants no longer are afforded temporary protection under the Executive Order. Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) involves around 4 million immigrants.


Texas brought suit based on the cost of subsidizing drivers licenses and identification cards, not on their citizenship rights. DAPA does not provide a path to citizenship and congress has only provided a fraction of the funding necessary if they were to deport all 11 million. Also not sure if this just impacts Texas or the other 30 states.
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:46 PM
 
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I guarantee if anthony scallia was still alive , this whole matter would have been decided quickly. Its a no brainer that he bypassed congress and made up his own laws. It should clearly be seen as a violation of the constitution....
Not as clear as you're trying to make it, according to former Republican Senator Richard Lugar, who was considered a moderate conservative before the GOP base took a sharp right turn and collectively jumped off the cliff.

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"But whether or not you like President Obama’s actions, he has operated under longstanding provisions of law that give the executive branch discretion in enforcement. This presidential prerogative has been recognized explicitly by the Supreme Court. Moreover, the nature of immigration enforcement and the resources (or lack thereof) appropriated by Congress necessitate exactly the type of choices that the president has made."
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"Congress has repeatedly granted the executive branch broad power in enforcing immigration laws. The 2002 law creating the Department of Homeland Security explicitly said the executive should set “national immigration enforcement policies and priorities.” The Supreme Court has recognized the leeway Congress gives the executive branch in deportations. In a 2012 majority opinion written by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy and joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., the court noted that “a principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials,” including the decision “whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/op...f=opinion&_r=0

Outside of the talk radio bubble, things are more nuanced in the real world.

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