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Old 04-28-2016, 11:38 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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We have a social contract in this Country, part of that is taking care of people who don't have the means to provide for themselves, whether that means foodstamps or medical care, it's part of who we are. If you hate it so much maybe you should take your Sea Ray to Somalia, they do things differently there.
I never said I hate it. We have had that social contract in this country for quite some time.

Certainly since before I was born. People that legitimately need assistance should have it.

I simply don't believe that the vast majority of people actually, truly "need" it. Most are gaming a system that is put in place purposely to advance a political agenda.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and payment often comes due in forms other than dollars and cents.


CN.......

 
Old 04-28-2016, 11:42 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Apart from regulating interstate and international commerce, declaring wars, granting consent to judicial appointments and ratifying treaties, there isn't much else the legislature is authorized to do.
Exept funding things....
 
Old 04-29-2016, 12:17 AM
 
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Obamacare has been a clarion call for Republicans to rally around ever since it was passed. The law as finally passed was so emasculated by Republicans that it is now nothing like the plan that Obama envisaged when he first announced his plan. However, despite the fact nearly every presidential candidate has stated he will get rid of Obamacare, not a single one of them has anything to replace it.

The people would not stand for an action like this.

The poster above would "get the govt. out of our health care," but he would just drop us back into the hands of non-competitive insurance companies, who will charge the heck out of us on premiums until no one but big companies can afford to insure their employees - again. The rest of everyone else would just be uninsured - again, going to the emergency room for everything, which just gets passed on to general hospital costs, which just raises our insurance premiums.
What did we do BEFORE ObamaCare? How did we survive? How did we remain alive before insurance came along to provide us all of those wonderful drugs for restless legs, erectile distinction, and hormone replacement therapy so that transgender could become the opposite sex?

How did the human race reach 6+ Billion, of which 99.5% came into existence BEFORE health insurance and ObamaCare? And wwhy would you think that getting rid of that scam would spell disaster and lead to people dying in the streets?
 
Old 04-29-2016, 12:25 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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What did we do BEFORE ObamaCare? How did we survive? How did we remain alive before insurance came along to provide us all of those wonderful drugs for restless legs, erectile distinction, and hormone replacement therapy so that transgender could become the opposite sex?

How did the human race reach 6+ Billion, of which 99.5% came into existence BEFORE health insurance and ObamaCare? And wwhy would you think that getting rid of that scam would spell disaster and lead to people dying in the streets?
50+ Million Americans without any kind of health insurance.

People without insurance crowding the waiting areas of Emergency Rooms at hospitals across the country ... using the ER as their health care system - all on the taxpayer's dime.

A ticking time bomb that needed to be addressed.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 12:37 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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50+ Million Americans without any kind of health insurance.

People without insurance crowding the waiting areas of Emergency Rooms at hospitals across the country ... using the ER as their health care system - all on the taxpayer's dime.

A ticking time bomb that needed to be addressed.

Has it been addressed?

Certainly not for me, and I would think not for many others.

Many that had insurance before, are now without. Or have less coverage at a higher price.

Wealth redistribution? vengeance for the poor? at what cost to the future?

Like I've said, I'm no better off now, than before the ACA. Healthcare, is actually a bit further out of reach, but other than that it has made no difference to me one wit. Other than supposedly having to pay a penalty for non participation. I cant afford that either.

Meanwhile a few thousand more illegals just crossed the border and will have benefits tomorrow.

CN.......
 
Old 04-29-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I have yet to hear a viable plan from any of them to replace it.
That would be a fallacy, since there need not be anything to replace Obamacare.

Had you read the syllabus in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, US Supreme Court 183 L. Ed. 2d 450 (2012), you'd know that medical care is intra-State commerce, and that insurance is intra-State commerce as well.

For you those of you who decry the lack of a federal system of universal healthcare coverage, you're free to set up your own system at the State level.

Note that Vermont tried and failed.

Colorado is looking in to the matter. We'll see if they try and fail or try and succeed.

There is absolutely nothing that prevents States from setting up their own exchanges, and in the event Obamacare is repealed, there is nothing preventing the States from keeping the exchanges that already exist.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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What did we do BEFORE ObamaCare? How did we survive? How did we remain alive before insurance came along to provide us all of those wonderful drugs for restless legs, erectile distinction, and hormone replacement therapy so that transgender could become the opposite sex?
How did the human race reach 6+ Billion, of which 99.5% came into existence BEFORE health insurance and ObamaCare? And wwhy would you think that getting rid of that scam would spell disaster and lead to people dying in the streets?
Some people didn't survive. Think about people with pre-existing conditions who were denied treatment, or the high risk pool whose insurance was so expensive that they couldn't possibly afford it. And we still have people dying because of lack of health care in states that did not expand medicaid.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Many that had insurance before, are now without. Or have less coverage at a higher price.
The number of American adults without health insurance fell 16.5 million from five years ago, when Obamacare was signed into law, the largest drop in four decades, a new report says.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 04:21 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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The number of American adults without health insurance fell 16.5 million from five years ago, when Obamacare was signed into law, the largest drop in four decades, a new report says.
That's because they're mandated to have coverage.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Originally Posted by ndcairngorm View Post
Obamacare has been a clarion call for Republicans to rally around ever since it was passed. The law as finally passed was so emasculated by Republicans that it is now nothing like the plan that Obama envisaged when he first announced his plan. However, despite the fact nearly every presidential candidate has stated he will get rid of Obamacare, not a single one of them has anything to replace it.

The people would not stand for an action like this.

The poster above would "get the govt. out of our health care," but he would just drop us back into the hands of non-competitive insurance companies, who will charge the heck out of us on premiums until no one but big companies can afford to insure their employees - again. The rest of everyone else would just be uninsured - again, going to the emergency room for everything, which just gets passed on to general hospital costs, which just raises our insurance premiums.


Republicans had nothing to do with that POS of legislation. They were shut out of any talks and not a single Republican voted for it. This is all on the Democrats.


The whole premise of this thread is typical of Democrats...they screw something up royally with stupid legislation and ask Republicans how they're going to fix it. Well, you didn't listen to us when we said it wouldn't work in the first place, but now we're the bad guys for saying we want to repeal it?
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