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ok then- so in business too English is widely spoken- all over the world- what many fail to understand is many that come do not the education or skills to get it- but they try- leave them be - Spanglish works
English is taught aggressively around the world. Most people speak English in a open business communication.
Their kind are Americans and; last time I checked, the "hillbillies" usually don't start trouble, at least outside their "hollars". Too; they're starting to die out between low birthrates and, many of them bettering themselves.
Well, they have all the social ills that you accuse people of color of having, and then some.
I guess because they're white and aren't immigrants, they get a pass from you. Why am I not surprised?
Well, you have time and time again expressed dismay, even hostility, about of the use of Spanish in this country, in public by individuals minding their own business and breaking no laws. I have refuted your assertions pretty consistently and called you out on it. It is what it is.
But let's have a time out and clear the air.
You want my position on whether the US should be an officially bilingual country? The answer is no.
Now should the USA adapt an English only official language policy? Also no - and I've cited reasons that have been mentioned earlier.
Happy now?
I have never been upset over people speaking non-English amongst family and friends. My problem is when people refuse to learn the majority language and expect the majority to cater to them. I have stated before and I will state again that I also think it's wrong for a American ex-pats to move to Mexico and not attempt to learn Spanish (or move anywhere and do this).
My problem is when people refuse to learn the majority language and expect the majority to cater to them. I have stated before and I will state again that I also think it's wrong for a American ex-pats to move to Mexico and not attempt to learn Spanish (or move anywhere and do this).
That's a very tired trope and myth that is always trotted out by nativists about immigrants.
I find that many who do learn English refuse to speak it unless they have to. What's the point of learning it then?
They "forget" that they speak English when they want to insult you without your knowing what they're saying -- or pretend that they don't understand you when you confront them with their wrongdoing.
Happens all the time in California.
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You've basically made my point: You use the term like many ignorant right wingers throw around the word "socialism", in the absence of historical context. Thanks for playing.
La Raza is blatantly racist against white Anglos, whether you want to admit it or not.
They are the Latino version of racist Nazis.
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America should not be a bi-lingual country. hat would be regression. We are a nation where more languages are spoken than any other nation on earth. We should remain so. However, we should be a nation that encourages those that come here to learn English and by the second and third generation, become utterly mainstreamed. The way we did generations before the arrival of the putrid progressive notion of multiculturalism which insures various groups remain defensive and prevents real integration in a culturally diverse society.
Exactly.
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Multiculturalism actually ADDS to the fabric of our nation - and this has been the case from the very beginning, like it or not.
Wrong.
Multiculturalism means people not integrating, assimilating, and developing a common culture.
Example: Latinos waving Mexican flags.
To them I say: "If Mexico is so great, go back there!"
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So you mean poor Appalachian whites aren't assimilated and are very dependent on public assistance?
How can whites not be assimilated in a majority white country?
Because they happen to be poor and live in coal country?
What else do you do for fun -- kick homeless kittens?
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Well, they have all the social ills that you accuse people of color of having, and then some. I guess because they're white and aren't immigrants, they get a pass from you. Why am I not surprised?
I don't see them having riots, committing terrorist acts, waving the flags of foreign countries, and becoming professors of "being a victim" in our universities.
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I have never been upset over people speaking non-English amongst family and friends. My problem is when people refuse to learn the majority language and expect the majority to cater to them. I have stated before and I will state again that I also think it's wrong for a American ex-pats to move to Mexico and not attempt to learn Spanish (or move anywhere and do this).
Well said.
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That's a very tired trope and myth that is always trotted out by nativists about immigrants.
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Personal experiences will disagree with your links.
I worked at a University in the Sports Medicine Clinic. We had a huge diverse campus population. Many of those coming to the clinic - could not even speak basic English or knew how to read English to fill out the medical forms. The drs had a heck of a time trying to examine them because even though most knew basic Spanish - they didn't know Indian, Chinese ect.. Now these were students supposedly earning an education at a school where the professors spoke English. The English speaking students would get upset as the professors started to appoint proctors to teach. Problems being - many of the proctors spoke broken English and then the lesson was then repeated in the 2nd language - wasting valuable time - when the majority of the students in the class understood English.
Once I went into a private practice setting - we routinely saw patients who did not speak English - and it was our responsibility to get them an interpreter - we eventually stopped seeing these types of patients and would only see one if a family member could come and translate. I had a long time patient from Mexico - who married an American woman. He lived in this country for 25 yrs and barely spoke English so his wife or daughters would have to come with him each visit. Sorry but if you live in this country - you need to know at least basic English.
I'd feel the same way if an American moves overseas - know the basic language and quit being lazy expecting everyone else to accommodate you.
Personal experiences will disagree with your links.
I worked at a University in the Sports Medicine Clinic. We had a huge diverse campus population. Many of those coming to the clinic - could not even speak basic English or knew how to read English to fill out the medical forms. The drs had a heck of a time trying to examine them because even though most knew basic Spanish - they didn't know Indian, Chinese ect.. Now these were students supposedly earning an education at a school where the professors spoke English. The English speaking students would get upset as the professors started to appoint proctors to teach. Problems being - many of the proctors spoke broken English and then the lesson was then repeated in the 2nd language - wasting valuable time - when the majority of the students in the class understood English.
Once I went into a private practice setting - we routinely saw patients who did not speak English - and it was our responsibility to get them an interpreter - we eventually stopped seeing these types of patients and would only see one if a family member could come and translate. I had a long time patient from Mexico - who married an American woman. He lived in this country for 25 yrs and barely spoke English so his wife or daughters would have to come with him each visit. Sorry but if you live in this country - you need to know at least basic English.
I'd feel the same way if an American moves overseas - know the basic language and quit being lazy expecting everyone else to accommodate you.
And anedotes don't tell the whole story, nor are they necessarily indicative of a larger trend. Context, context, context.
There's a very real difference between conversational English (BICS), and academic, technical specialized language.
Interestingly enough, you are talking about medicine and health, which are very specialized fields with technical terminology and complex.
In the first case, international students who come to this country often do struggle with English, depending on their background, but it is not because they're unwilling to learn or speak it, which is a tired excuse to trash immigrants in general for supposedly not assimilating. They typically haven't been in country that long. My parents came here as international students so I know of what I speak of. They're also not necessarily immigrants - many will return to their home country of origin. So contextually, your accusation is a bit off to begin with.
Bashing foreign TAs for their English is a tired old tradition.
For medical visits, one can be reasonably conversational in English but can struggle with technical terms with health.
My sister works as a pediatrician serving a low income community (2/3 Latino) and they have staff who speak Spanish. She's reasonably fluent but sometimes will use an interpreter to explain terminology. She has more empathy for immigrant groups than you, it seems.
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When certain bad "cultures" are dying out, that's a GOOD thing.
Well, that's awfully compassionate of you. Bless your heart.
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