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Old 05-20-2016, 06:33 AM
 
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Another hateful man-hater. Too bad her daughter has to be raised by such a negative, hateful person.

I raised my daughter to be CONFIDENT, intelliegent, well educated and to know that she does not need a male to be a happy, productive person. If she marries, it will be out of love and not dependence, as she is independent and productive on her own without any help.

What we need is CONFIDENT women, not HATEFUL women. My wife sure as hell did not need me, as she was an independent, secure professional making a good income when we met.
That's fine. We do need confident women. But why is it so crazy that we should also raise respectful men? Men who understand no means no? That women deserve respect? Is that really hateful?
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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It's not an article. It's a rant. Bit different.

Secondly, it's not what mothers teach their children, it's what society teaches them.
For example, my daughter takes the bus to school. We live on a fairly busy road with a lot of work trucks. If I don't stand back a bit further from the road, trucks will honk at me almost every day. Most mornings my hair isn't done. I'm not dressed up, I've got a five year old and two year old playing in the driveway behind me. And still, some man will think "yeah, I'll get her attention". It amazes me. When I worked at Dunkin Donuts, men clearly much older than me (I was 20) would hit on me. One tried to ask me out. Why? Because I was at work? What exactly was I doing that suggested I'd like to go out with a random stranger after my shift?? When I said I wasn't interested, he left in a huff. Why? What did I owe him?

Maybe it's just me, but I've not noticed a lot of women intimidating men like this. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen at the same frequency, that's for sure.
Your second paragraph has nothing to do with this article, oh wait, my bad, rant

She said

She lives in a world that is built for men. Rewards men. Glorifies men.

I don't think this is what "society" teaches us. This might be what she teaches her daughter. Big difference.

In term of the second bolded, well, because they wanted to. My parents taught me to be polite, if I don't like to be approached, then let them down politely, "I am very flattered, but I am not interested." Most men will stop. If they don't handle the rejection well, it is their problem. But most men do act "normal" and respectful, do they not?

There are many little girls call my nephews their "boyfriends." to that, my nephews responses have always been "eeewwww" They are five and six years old now, I am sure when they are 18 and above, they would like the attention they get from girls. Bottom line, women and men are friends, they shouldn't be enemies.

The bottom line, if "society" as a whole teaches women a world is built by men, reward men, glorify men, then such "society" would be in big trouble.

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Old 05-20-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Oh I get their poor attempt at satire. This wasn't written by an actual mom of a six-year-old who looks at her daughter and pictures her chugging beer and having oral sex in a few years. The stuff about swimming in the bathtub with goggles, falling asleep in the bed, loving ponies and the pink bike....Jesus, they forgot the fairytale princess playhouse and the tea party...

The blogger believes women who oppose the bathroom-free-for-all are overly paranoid nutjobs who see sexual predators everywhere they look, so they created an extremist character to mock women. Funny that when I clicked on the link that they said this rant originated from, the page was a blank. Women concerned with safety and privacy are caricatures to this person. Yet another stupid and condescending tactic that won't win anyone to their way of thinking. Between this and the Aimee Toms video, why do pro-coed bathroom people feel the need to lie so much?

Nope... a real woman posted that on her facebook.


https://www.facebook.com/stephanie.hunter.313
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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The first thing that struck me when this whole bathroom controversy started this how many men are angry on behalf of women about it.
But they don't seem angry about all the other things that women have to endure. Nor are they willing to really do anything about it. In fact, most of them are willing to contribute to the problem. But on this issue, they are more upset than the women are.
Totally bizarre.
This^^^
And what I took from this rant is that while so many men and women seem to be up in arms about a transgender person in the same restroom with their daughter (has there even ever been an incident involving sexual harassment by a transgender in a restroom?) they neglect to see the very thing they pretend to fear that occurs everyday right under their noses, or they don't care.

Reading what the author wrote I can identify with many of these things that are ignored by society, I have been leary of walking to my car alone at night, I have had my arse grabbed by strange men at work, I have been passed over because of my gender in job promotions, I have listened to cat calls and unsolicited rude sexual remarks, I have been pressured for sex. As a mother of sons who begat sons I dont blame men for any of this and I dont think the author does either. Its just the way the world has been/is. I just think the author is pointing out the irony here.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Great OP rant!!

ITA!

I have a 7 year old daughter. I am WAY more afraid of men dressed like men for her than for transgenders in the bathroom. Everything she said was right on.

Too many men just don't know the extent of harrassment young girls,teen girls, and women receive.

I had a man attempt to get me to french kiss him and who fondled my new breast when I was 10 years old at a public pool out in the open (FWIW, my dad kicked his a$$ and went to jail for a night over that).

Girls are sexualized all the time by "regular" men. "Regular" men are more "scary" to me for my daughter than a transgendered man.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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The only obvious transgender I ever saw was a tall black man that would wear a wig and fake breasts. I was working construction downtown near the notorious gay bar part of town. I could only assume he turned tricks for dough. Creepy looking fella. I seriously wouldnt want my children anywhere near him. He is probably dead by now. "epic rant" 'drops mic, it falls in a puddle of mystery fluid. You can have it. No thanks.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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Great OP rant!!

ITA!

I have a 7 year old daughter. I am WAY more afraid of men dressed like men for her than for transgenders in the bathroom. Everything she said was right on.

Too many men just don't know the extent of harrassment young girls,teen girls, and women receive.

I had a man attempt to get me to french kiss him and who fondled my new breast when I was 10 years old at a public pool out in the open (FWIW, my dad kicked his a$$ and went to jail for a night over that).

Girls are sexualized all the time by "regular" men. "Regular" men are more "scary" to me for my daughter than a transgendered man.
Now the regulars can enter the bathroom with you, legally and its all good
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:06 AM
 
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Your second paragraph has nothing to do with this article, oh wait, my bad, rant

She said

She lives in a world that is built for men. Rewards men. Glorifies men.

I don't think this is what "society" teaches us. This might be what she teaches her daughter. Big difference.

In term of the second bolded, well, because they wanted to. My parents taught me to be polite, if I don't like to be approached, then let them down politely, "I am very flattered, but I am not interested." Most men will stop. If they don't handle the rejection well, it is their problem. But most men do act "normal" and respectful, do they not?

There are many little girls call my nephews their "boyfriends." to that, my nephews responses have always been "eeewwww" They are five and six years old now, I am sure when they are 18 and above, they would like the attention they get from girls. Bottom line, women and men are friends, they shouldn't be enemies.
On the red, IMO most men will not stop.

They will call you a b!@#h and fling disgusting words at you.

This occurred to me many times when I was a teen and especially so when I was in college because I was very "developed" (I have curves and a rather large set of boobs and I have had all of the above since I was 10 years old so I got a LOT of creepy harrassments and comments and touches and being called a b!@#h when I was a young tween, a teen, and a 20 something year old woman.

I worry for my daughter about those situations, when she walking down the street and some guy tells her to "smile" or they try to touch her (reminds me a guy I sat next to on a plane actually put his hand up my skirt one time as well on a flight!). She is 7 and I am already having these conversations with her to "warn" her about men. I have her in martial arts so she can protect herself physically if someone attempts to touch her when she is by herself.

Men need to focus on stop being pervs IMO instead of worrying about transgendered people in restrooms.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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On the red, IMO most men will not stop.

They will call you a b!@#h and fling disgusting words at you.

This occurred to me many times when I was a teen and especially so when I was in college because I was very "developed" (I have curves and a rather large set of boobs and I have had all of the above since I was 10 years old so I got a LOT of creepy harrassments and comments and touches and being called a b!@#h when I was a young tween, a teen, and a 20 something year old woman.

I worry for my daughter about those situations, when she walking down the street and some guy tells her to "smile" or they try to touch her (reminds me a guy I sat next to on a plane actually put his hand up my skirt one time as well on a flight!). She is 7 and I am already having these conversations with her to "warn" her about men. I have her in martial arts so she can protect herself physically if someone attempts to touch her when she is by herself.

Men need to focus on stop being pervs IMO instead of worrying about transgendered people in restrooms.
well, like I posted earlier, I worry about false accusation because I have three adorable nephews and one godson. If they grow up to be respectful and intelligent men, (and they would) I want them to be treated exactly the way they deserve to be treated.

I don't know where did you meet such men. MOST men who approached me act very polite and normal. (I don't doubt your experience, however)

When I tell them, "I am very flattered, but I am not interested." Most stop. Some PEOPLE handle rejection well, SOME don't. SOME People are vindictive and angry, SOME are not. This is the risk everybody needs to take while walking on the street. I had a woman throwing trash at me for no reasons when I walked alone on the street of downtown LA, she was obviously mentally disturbed. I am not going to say, "ALL mental ill patients are violent" But I will be more careful of my surroundings, that is all. I also accept the risk I have to take while walking on ANY streets in any countries.

This mother says

She lives in a world that is built for men. Rewards men. Glorifies men.

Teaching her daughter that will not help her daughter. In my opinion. It doesn't help the situation.

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Old 05-20-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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She is fairly clueless unless getting press was her main objective.
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