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"She's" not a female. 'She's" a male who "says" she "feels" like a female. No proof whatsoever of actually being transgender required.
Interesting point. I'll use my kids' high school, in that same IL School Dist, as an example. 2,000 students. IL requires 4 years of PE for HS diploma eligibility. 7 periods in the school day. 286 students in each PE period, 146 of whom are cisgender females. One (or more) of those PE periods has one or more males "claiming" to be transgender. 100 or so of those MINOR girls are uncomfortable undressing/changing in front of an anatomical male who is either using the open locker and shower rooms OR has to pass through the open locker room to even get to a curtained individual changing stall. The school doesn't have 100 individual curtained changing stalls in the girls' locker room, and has no individual shower stalls whatsoever. There is no room on the school's grounds to expand the school's facilities to add 200 curtained individual changing/shower stalls, 100 to each (girls', boys') locker room (facilities must be equal, Title IX).
Now what?
I smell some lies in this post, your child's high school has 146 transgender students? Any proof? Your child's high school has no private showers or places to change for students? Either it is poorly funded or you are lying.
And does your child's school require all students to swim? I am betting it doesn't.
So continue on with your phobia, no one is buying it.
There is this thing called "waiting." That is what a student must do when people are using all the private showers and they don't want to use the open room shower stall....
So... they're late to their next class because they had to "wait" for an individual stall.
Do you really think that will work? Missing exams, presentations, experiments in science classes they're scheduled to make/do, detention for tardiness to class, missing part of that day's curriculum, etc....
You didn't really think that through, did you?
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Oh and I am still waiting for you to name ONE school that requires all students to swim.
Dist 211. The IL School Dist in which this became a HUGE issue, resulting in 51 families suing the federal government.
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At the freshman level, three required units of instruction are offered: fitness, swimming, and group dynamics.
In addition, optional swimming/diving classes are available to those in grades 10-12.
Keep in mind that given the 2,000 students all having to take 4 years of PE to be eligible to graduate, and the difficulty of scheduling 2,000 students for their required classes (4 years English, 4 years PE, 3 years of Algebra or higher Math, 2 years Science, 2 years Social Studies, and other electives required to graduate), ALL PE class periods age-grade mixed.
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I smell some lies in this post, your child's high school has 146 transgender students?
Reading comprehension. It matters:
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Interesting point. I'll use my kids' high school, in that same IL School Dist, as an example. 2,000 students. IL requires 4 years of PE for HS diploma eligibility. 7 periods in the school day. 286 students in each PE period, 146 of whom are cisgender females. One (or more) of those PE periods has one or more males "claiming" to be transgender. 100 or so of those MINOR girls are uncomfortable undressing/changing in front of an anatomical male who is either using the open locker and shower rooms OR has to pass through the open locker room to even get to a curtained individual changing stall. The school doesn't have 100 individual curtained changing stalls in the girls' locker room, and has no individual shower stalls whatsoever. There is no room on the school's grounds to expand the school's facilities to add 200 curtained individual changing/shower stalls, 100 to each (girls', boys') locker room (facilities must be equal, Title IX).
Now what?
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And does your child's school require all students to swim? I am betting it doesn't.
You lose that bet. Already posted the link to the District's Curriculum.
I'm thinking the only way public schools and State Boards of Ed can partially resolve the multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room problem is to allow students who are uncomfortable undressing in front of or being naked in front of those of the opposite anatomical gender, to opt out of the PE requirement.
That still leaves the problem of sports teams practices/games. Girls will still have to choose whether to be forced to expose themselves (partially unclothed and/or naked) or be exposed to the anatomically opposite sex, or stop participating in their sports teams.
Didn't read the entire thread, but the whole transgendered in the bathroom thing is VERY controversial for black Americans. I have stated many times on the forums that black Americans are pretty conservative, even democrats. They are not always in agreement with white liberal leadership.
Due to me being black and knowing this, I am not surprised that she took a stance only on this very issue. It is one that many black Americans do not agree with.
But FWIW, I am a black woman as well with an elementary aged daughter. I go into public bathrooms with my daughter. If she asks about why someone with a deep voice was in the bathroom, I would just tell her they were there to use the bathroom.
Just being 6 foot tall and having a deep voice, IMO is not a reason to be scared. FWIW, I already tell my daughter to be cautious of who she is around and to not use the bathroom by herself. We had these talks prior to the recent media attention and policy initiatives.
But Dillard Smith's comments or actions IMO are not all that out of the norm for black Americans IMO.
Didn't read the entire thread, but the whole transgendered in the bathroom thing is VERY controversial for black Americans. I have stated many times on the forums that black Americans are pretty conservative, even democrats. They are not always in agreement with white liberal leadership.
Due to me being black and knowing this, I am not surprised that she took a stance only on this very issue. It is one that many black Americans do not agree with.
But FWIW, I am a black woman as well with an elementary aged daughter. I go into public bathrooms with my daughter. If she asks about why someone with a deep voice was in the bathroom, I would just tell her they were there to use the bathroom.
Just being 6 foot tall and having a deep voice, IMO is not a reason to be scared. FWIW, I already tell my daughter to be cautious of who she is around and to not use the bathroom by herself. We had these talks prior to the recent media attention and policy initiatives.
But Dillard Smith's comments or actions IMO are not all that out of the norm for black Americans IMO.
Houston has a huge black population and they're overwhelmingly Democrats, and elected the country's first big city gay mayor, yet the LGBT bill failed. Why? The transgender bathroom nonsense. If white liberals who want to push this on the country think they can compare this to racial segregation to get blacks to go for this they are sorely mistaken.
Didn't read the entire thread, but the whole transgendered in the bathroom thing is VERY controversial for black Americans. I have stated many times on the forums that black Americans are pretty conservative, even democrats. They are not always in agreement with white liberal leadership.
Due to me being black and knowing this, I am not surprised that she took a stance only on this very issue. It is one that many black Americans do not agree with.
But FWIW, I am a black woman as well with an elementary aged daughter. I go into public bathrooms with my daughter. If she asks about why someone with a deep voice was in the bathroom, I would just tell her they were there to use the bathroom.
Just being 6 foot tall and having a deep voice, IMO is not a reason to be scared. FWIW, I already tell my daughter to be cautious of who she is around and to not use the bathroom by herself. We had these talks prior to the recent media attention and policy initiatives.
But Dillard Smith's comments or actions IMO are not all that out of the norm for black Americans IMO.
What are you going to tell your daughter when the person with the deep voice in the locker room takes off their suit in the locker room changing area and has dangling genitalia? Or the person with the deep voice sits on the bench and watches as your daughter takes off her suit?
I agree you, this is a really sticky issue for even my most liberal family members.
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So... they're late to their next class because they had to "wait" for an individual stall.
Do you really think that will work? Missing exams, presentations, experiments in science classes they're scheduled to make/do, detention for tardiness to class, missing part of that day's curriculum, etc....
In addition, optional swimming/diving classes are available to those in grades 10-12.
Keep in mind that given the 2,000 students all having to take 4 years of PE to be eligible to graduate, and the difficulty of scheduling 2,000 students for their required classes (4 years English, 4 years PE, 3 years of Algebra or higher Math, 2 years Science, 2 years Social Studies, and other electives required to graduate), ALL PE class periods age-grade mixed.
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You've shown a picture of a facility that has individual curtained shower stalls. Many public schools only have open shower rooms:
Teaches a valuable lesson, waiting is a part of life, as is time management. Nothing states that students must shower, if they don't have enough time to shower, then they don't have enough time.
If a student is missing that much school waiting to shower, then they sound like they are intentionally trying to skip class which is wrong.
Guess you didn't think that one through when you responded.
Maybe you should study up more on the curriculum, physical education is required but swimming isn't required. Students only use the showers when they are in the swimming unit, not when they are in general physical education. Also over the past year or so Township 211 has been upgrading their facilities to provide private showers and changing areas for students. I would think you would know this if this is the school district you claim to be in or at the very least have connections within.
Open shower rooms and changing rooms have been going the way of the dinosaur for a long time now. Schools should be renovating to get rid of them.
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Reading comprehension. It matters:
You lose that bet. Already posted the link to the District's Curriculum.
Maybe you should study up on the curriculum because I have been able to debunk your claims quite easily.
Teaches a valuable lesson, waiting is a part of life, as is time management.
So... when the PE teacher dismisses the class 3 minutes before the bell rings and 100 girls are waiting to use 5 or fewer curtained changing stalls... Explain how that works.
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Maybe you should study up more on the curriculum, physical education is required but swimming isn't required.
In IL School District 211, where 51 families are suing the federal government, SWIMMING IS REQUIRED. I already posted the link.
And I KNOW that to be true because my own kids graduated from Dist 211.
Like I said, I'm thinking the only way public schools and State Boards of Ed can partially resolve the multiple occupancy open changing/locker/shower room problem is to allow students who are uncomfortable undressing in front of or being naked in front of those of the opposite anatomical gender, to opt out of the PE requirement altogether.
That still leaves the problem of sports teams practices/games. Girls will still have to choose whether to be forced to expose themselves (partially unclothed and/or naked) or be exposed to the anatomically opposite sex, or stop participating in their sports teams.
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