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Old 06-14-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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" How do you punish or discourage people who don't fear death? "

Call them on their bluff.

A jihadi may claim to not fear death while they are alive, but you can find out if they are lying by ventilating them with lead. See if they fear it while they are actually dying.
As soon as someone can get to Hassan Nasrallah (Hezbollah), this theory can be tested.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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" How do you punish or discourage people who don't fear death? "

Call them on their bluff.

A jihadi may claim to not fear death while they are alive, but you can find out if they are lying by ventilating them with lead. See if they fear it while they are actually dying.
Call them on their bluff...as they take out 50 innocent people with them and the terrorist dies. But at least he was scared when he died!

Not that I have any better ideas.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You can't. The entire idea of punishment assumes people value their own lives.
Best post I've read today.

If someone has been hurt/abused/victimized during years they are likely to be unafraid of dying.

The worst one is somebody who isn't afraid of hell.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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Best post I've read today.

If someone has been hurt/abused/victimized during years they are likely to be unafraid of dying.

The worst one is somebody who isn't afraid of hell.
The ones Hell bent on getting to Heaven scare me a little too...
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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They value their own lives, they just want to make you think they don't. Go after everything they have, everything they own & every family member in the world & guess what.....this nonsense stops. Total war. They are betting that the West does not have the stones to do this, and so far they are right.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:25 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Best post I've read today.

If someone has been hurt/abused/victimized during years they are likely to be unafraid of dying.

The worst one is somebody who isn't afraid of hell.
You left out brainwashed.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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whether they be drugged out psychopaths, or just your run of the mill jihadi - they're willing to die for their cause. How do you fight this mentality?

Someone earlier suggested we adopt destroying their families' home like Israel does. I don't think that would make a difference. Especially if they're estranged from their families.
It does make a difference. In same cases the family, concerned with possible retribution will make efforts to convince the mad dog to abandon his plans. Sometimes they'll even ask the authorities for help.
What people don't know is that these (mostly deranged losers) aspire to become martyrs in the eyes of their families and friends. They don't become terrorists out of the blue. Many are considered the black sheep of the family. There is a background to this behavior. Successful, healthy and loved people are not common among ISIL. Once losers, they gain the status of sainthood following their act. This culture is at the foundation of all massacres.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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Are you referring to the atheist?
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:45 PM
 
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They value their own lives, they just want to make you think they don't. Go after everything they have, everything they own & every family member in the world & guess what.....this nonsense stops. Total war. They are betting that the West does not have the stones to do this, and so far they are right.
Some years back my father started making similar comments and suggested we bomb Medina and let them know Mecca was next. We didn't know at the time he was in the first stages of Alzheimers.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Threaten them with guns that shoot bacon bits.
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