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When you state things like "[w]hy not build a coalition with the Europeans and Arab nations to rid Syria and Iraq of ISIS?", you make it clear you haven't a clue what the U.S. and coalition forces are currently doing against ISIS.
If we are doing so much then why are they still there?? We have been at it for years over there with these so called air strikes. They have territory to defend, a real modern military force could mop them up in weeks. Those pin prick air strikes are NOT a plan or real effort. If you believe they are then you are gravely mistaken.
If we are doing so much then why are they still there?? We have been at it for years over there with these so called air strikes. They have territory to defend, a real modern military force could mop them up in weeks. Those pin prick air strikes are NOT a plan or real effort. If you believe they are then you are gravely mistaken.
Well, I suppose I shouldn't argue with a military expert.
Todays ISIS strategy in Syria and Iraq is NOT a plan to deal with ISIS. It is a series of minor air strike that have little effectiveness, amounting to not much more than pin pricks. I am talking about a serious effort to dislodge them, the use of air and land power to totally defeat them. You know there is a big difference, I think I made it clear the kind of thing I am proposing.
When you suggest "Why not build a coalition with the Europeans and Arab nations to rid Syria and Iraq of ISIS?" when there is already a coalition built, with European and Arab nations, and it's busy doing just that, it's kinda hard to assume you're debating from an informed stance.
I guess this is a dead conversation, I cannot believe so many people believe our current strategy in Syria is a real military effort. I am shocked that this half hearted effort is truly taken seriously. For every ones information what I see as a real effort looks a lot like the Gulf war effort in 1991, not this joke we call an effort. Maybe its a thread full of anti-war liberals who voted for Obama, I don't know. If this is really what people believe then we are really all doomed. God help us.
I guess this is a dead conversation, I cannot believe so many people believe our current strategy in Syria is a real military effort. I am shocked that this half hearted effort is truly taken seriously. For every ones information what I see as a real effort looks a lot like the Gulf war effort in 1991, not this joke we call an effort. Maybe its a thread full of anti-war liberals who voted for Obama, I don't know. If this is really what people believe then we are really all doomed. God help us.
Yeah, right.
If President Obama goes to Congress tomorrow and proposes a massive BOTG invasion by U.S. ground forces against ISIS everywhere they currently exist, for as long as they exist, what do you think will be the right-wing reaction?
If President Obama goes to Congress tomorrow and proposes a massive BOTG invasion by U.S. ground forces against ISIS everywhere they currently exist, for as long as they exist, what do you think will be the right-wing reaction?
Many people I know wonder why we are not responding in a strong way to ISIS after this attack. I think if Obama were to suggest a large scale serious military effort to destroy ISIS in Iraq and Syria that he would be supported. We conservatives don't oppose Obama because he is a democrat we oppose him because of his socialist policies and weak foreign policy. If he did something patriotic like actually defending the nation as he is constitutionally bound to do then he would get support for it. We can all see our nation was attacked by a foreign terrorist group that is really almost reached the status of a sovereign state, so it is appropriate to attack the territory of this enemy power. Right now our allies in Iraq are trying to liberate Falluja and Mosel. That would be a good place to start.
I find it disturbing that this option is not seriously considered. Both Democrats and Republicans say they hate ISIS right? That ISIS is a real threat. If we can make the nation go invade Iraq, I am sure convincing them to invade ISIS is easier.
Either the powers at be really don't think ISIS is a big enough threat, cost of going in would not be worth it, dead Westerners is bad, but it hasn't gotten to a high enough number to justify invasion.
Or the powers at be like having ISIS around. Crazy creates opportunity.
You're aware that we're fighting ISIS in Iraq and Libya as well, right? In fact, ISIS has lost about 50% of its previously-held territory in Iraq.
Just curious: How many strike sorties does it take before something becomes a "real" military effort? Nearest thousand will do.
The only way to take territory is with ground forces. Air power supports any ground effort to win a campaign. Dropping bombs with no apparent end goal is really a waste of our effort. The gains in Iraq are thanks to the effort of the Iraqis themselves, however if we continue to do what we are doing today it could take them years to clear out their nation from ISIS, and in Syria they could be there for decades. All this time they continue to exist they can use their territory as a base to inspire and direct terrorist attacks in Europe and the US. Doing nothing (which is what I see our effort now as) is dangerous, weak and unpatriotic.
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