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Old 06-19-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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I would argue that the entire West is in a state of decline, if not outright collapse. Evidence for this is legion. Separatist movements in Catalonia and Scotland, Brexit, and the rise of nationalist candidates in the US, UK, France, the Netherlands, Austria, Italy, Germany and elsewhere. More generally, there is a very low level of confidence in the political and economic systems throughout the Western countries?

Obviously, there are many factors at play. However, I believe that the single largest reason for the collapse of the West is relatively simple: politicians in the West no longer represent the interests of their constituents. Representative governance is a core fundamental of Western society. But who is represented when millions of Islamic refugees are let into Germany? Not the average German. Who is represented when illegal immigrants are allowed into the US to take all of the non-skilled jobs? Who is represented when the US government makes unfavorable trade deals or allows economic competitors to manipulate their currency? Not the average US voter.

The Western elites have perverted the political narrative into one where it is now considered xenophobic, racist, nationalist or bigoted when politicians represent the interests of the majority. Consequently, the average citizen has little to no confidence in the political and economic systems. I believe that is one of the main reasons the West is collapsing.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Freedom means that there will be those who use that freedom to take it away. Witness the hordes of immigrants who want to impose a system from back home that didn't work there either. If it was working then they would have remained.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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The West has been collapsing since the "French" Revolution.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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The West has been collapsing since the "French" Revolution.
And will likely continue collapsing for the next 1000 years.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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Because it's not. Next question.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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I was going to say in the 60s when humanism became the predominate thought on college campuses, caused us not to fight to win in Vietnam (politically), and then as those boomers took over and right and wrong turned to equivocation.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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Geez...and here I am thinking that life is pretty good here in the West.

But I come here and realize that we're in the midst of an apocalypse.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Geez...and here I am thinking that life is pretty good here in the West.

But I come here and realize that we're in the midst of an apocalypse.
No one said apocalypse. That's Rwanda circa 94.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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I would argue that the entire West is in a state of decline, if not outright collapse. Evidence for this is legion. Separatist movements in Catalonia and Scotland, Brexit, and the rise of nationalist candidates in the US, UK, France, the Netherlands, Austria, Italy, Germany and elsewhere. More generally, there is a very low level of confidence in the political and economic systems throughout the Western countries?

Obviously, there are many factors at play. However, I believe that the single largest reason for the collapse of the West is relatively simple: politicians in the West no longer represent the interests of their constituents. Representative governance is a core fundamental of Western society. But who is represented when millions of Islamic refugees are let into Germany? Not the average German. Who is represented when illegal immigrants are allowed into the US to take all of the non-skilled jobs? Who is represented when the US government makes unfavorable trade deals or allows economic competitors to manipulate their currency? Not the average US voter.

The Western elites have perverted the political narrative into one where it is now considered xenophobic, racist, nationalist or bigoted when politicians represent the interests of the majority. Consequently, the average citizen has little to no confidence in the political and economic systems. I believe that is one of the main reasons the West is collapsing.
It's not.

Only the few who think the political narrative needs to be xenophobic, racist, nationalist, sextist or just plain bigoted, to be acceptable to their narrow views think the west is in decline.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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I would argue that the entire West is in a state of decline, if not outright collapse. Evidence for this is legion. Separatist movements in Catalonia and Scotland
Let me stop you there.

How does a movement for an independent scotland constitute "the west declining" ?
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