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Old 08-02-2016, 10:33 AM
 
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This has always surprised me. We know that members of Congress use about 70% of their time in office to solicit campaign donations from the super rich. They have seperate rooms where they beg the super rich for money most of the day. Trump promises to lift all restrictions on campaign finance to make it even easier for the rich to pull the strings of our elected officials. His dream is several new Scalias on the Supreme Court. Judges that believe there should be no restrictions for the billionaire class to bribe.

Trump supporters claim they are interested in changing the status quo and are tired of corruption in DC. Yet, they seem perfectly fine with the corrupt system of campaign finance and support making it even easier for the donor class to buy elections!

It blows my mind.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:38 AM
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Because there are bigger problems to deal with at this time - why aren't the Democrats concerned about it - oh that's right - that's where Hillary's donations are coming from.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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Every party , every election, makes that promise and leaves loopholes so it can continue unimpeded.


"The rich cannot pull strings" as only legislators elected by you can pass laws.


direct your concern to the criteria used to select candidates to stop the influence of big business.


Elect someone who is a chronic liar, for instance, means you are choosing an unethical person to represent you. No good can come from that.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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This has always surprised me. We know that members of Congress use about 70% of their time in office to solicit campaign donations from the super rich. They have seperate rooms where they beg the super rich for money most of the day. Trump promises to lift all restrictions on campaign finance to make it even easier for the rich to pull the strings of our elected officials. His dream is several new Scalias on the Supreme Court. Judges that believe there should be no restrictions for the billionaire class to bribe.

Trump supporters claim they are interested in changing the status quo and are tired of corruption in DC. Yet, they seem perfectly fine with the corrupt system of campaign finance and support making it even easier for the donor class to buy elections!

It blows my mind.
It "blows my mind" that Leftists refuse to recognize that Donald Trump SELF-FUNDED his Primary campaign against 16 opponents, the RNC and the Media. He spent around $65 Million dollars when his opponents spend that much in some States. No Corporate, Wall Street, Hedge Fund or Lobbyist Money.

What Trump managed to do PROVES that "the corrupt system of campaign finance" is not necessary to Win a Primary. Showing HOW it's done is a lot more effective than taking all that Corrupt "pay to play" Money and then pretending you didn't and preaching against it.

The Status Quo IS the Corrupt system of 'pay to play' -- only ONE candidate is still in the race using that method.

Hilary Clinton is corrupt the Billionaire Class supports HER. The Hedge Funds finance HER. The Wall Street Banks finance HER. George Soros & Warren Buffett finance HER.
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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It "blows my mind" that Leftists refuse to recognize that Donald Trump SELF-FUNDED his Primary campaign against 16 opponents, the RNC and the Media. He spent around $65 Million dollars when his opponents spend that much in some States. No Corporate, Wall Street, Hedge Fund or Lobbyist Money.

What Trump managed to do PROVES that "the corrupt system of campaign finance" is not necessary to Win a Primary. Showing HOW it's done is a lot more effective than taking all that Corrupt "pay to play" Money and then pretending you didn't and preaching against it.

The Status Quo IS the Corrupt system of 'pay to play' -- only ONE candidate is still in the race using that method.

Hilary Clinton is corrupt the Billionaire Class supports HER. The Hedge Funds finance HER. The Wall Street Banks finance HER. George Soros & Warren Buffett finance HER.
Why do you support Trump's supreme court picks which makes it impossible to run for office without begging the rich and the powerful for money (or getting 2 billion in free ads)?
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Because there are bigger problems to deal with at this time
How can the destruction of our democratic process be down the list of problems to deal with? If we dont get big money special interests out of politics, we dont have a democracy anymore. Whats so great about that?

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Old 08-02-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Every party , every election, makes that promise and leaves loopholes so it can continue unimpeded.


"The rich cannot pull strings" as only legislators elected by you can pass laws.


direct your concern to the criteria used to select candidates to stop the influence of big business.


Elect someone who is a chronic liar, for instance, means you are choosing an unethical person to represent you. No good can come from that.
So which non-puppet candidates do you support down the ballot? Progressives who are not funded by anyone but the people? Or various candidates who are members of the big money donor class and their puppets?
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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It "blows my mind" that Leftists refuse to recognize that Donald Trump SELF-FUNDED his Primary campaign against 16 opponents, the RNC and the Media. He spent around $65 Million dollars when his opponents spend that much in some States. No Corporate, Wall Street, Hedge Fund or Lobbyist Money.

What Trump managed to do PROVES that "the corrupt system of campaign finance" is not necessary to Win a Primary. Showing HOW it's done is a lot more effective than taking all that Corrupt "pay to play" Money and then pretending you didn't and preaching against it.

The Status Quo IS the Corrupt system of 'pay to play' -- only ONE candidate is still in the race using that method.

Hilary Clinton is corrupt the Billionaire Class supports HER. The Hedge Funds finance HER. The Wall Street Banks finance HER. George Soros & Warren Buffett finance HER.


He should be critical of Citizens United and the amount of money corrupting our government, I have not heard much outside of his self-financed campaign.


Just because he hasn't spent campaign donations doesn't mean he isn't receiving any, he can turn around after the election and pay himself back.
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:34 AM
 
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This has always surprised me. We know that members of Congress use about 70% of their time in office to solicit campaign donations from the super rich. They have seperate rooms where they beg the super rich for money most of the day. Trump promises to lift all restrictions on campaign finance to make it even easier for the rich to pull the strings of our elected officials. His dream is several new Scalias on the Supreme Court. Judges that believe there should be no restrictions for the billionaire class to bribe.

Trump supporters claim they are interested in changing the status quo and are tired of corruption in DC. Yet, they seem perfectly fine with the corrupt system of campaign finance and support making it even easier for the donor class to buy elections!

It blows my mind.
Great question, but to be fair..., what is your source for the comment I've bolded above?

I'm not really sure where Trump lands on this issue, and I'm not sure anyone else is either.

"If I'm elected president, I will end the special-interest monopoly in Washington, D.C. Very important."

[Trump has said that he loves "the idea of campaign finance reform" and regularly decries the influence of money in politics, but he has yet to outline how he would "end the special-interest monopoly in Washington, D.C." His website does not list campaign finance reform, money in politics or checking the influence of lobbyists in the section devoted to issues. His campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was formerly a partner in a successful lobbying firm. — Tamara Keith]

"The other candidate in this race has spent her entire life making money for special interests. And, I will tell you, she's made plenty of money for them. And she's been taking plenty of money out for herself. Hillary Clinton has perfected the politics of personal profit and even theft. She ran the State Department like her own personal hedge fund, doing favors for oppressive regimes, and many others, and, really, many, many others, in exchange for cash. Pure and simple, folks. Pure and simple."

Donald Trump's Speech Wednesday Laid Out Campaign Promises And Attacked Hillary Clinton : NPR

At least I give Trump credit for highlighting the issue, but who can say what he would actually do or not do about anything? I do know this, most especially for those who don't seem to understand which party is most for and/or least against campaign finance reform:

"the 2016 Republican platform takes some of the most extreme positions on money in politics, measures that would force almost all politicians to seek out their own personal puppet masters."

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/19/...-finance-laws/
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Because there are bigger problems to deal with at this time - why aren't the Democrats concerned about it - oh that's right - that's where Hillary's donations are coming from.
I really don't think there is a bigger problem for America and our system of government than the influence of money in our political system. You might as well suggest it is equally not important whether we are ruled by kings or a democratic representative process...
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