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Old 06-27-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Japan
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First off, I find it odd that your OP link is to a psuedo racist site instead of the actual NYT op-ed piece...

I actually don't find it odd that you would try to defame someone by calling them a "pseudo racist", apparently not realizing that the term can only mean "not really a racist".


As for the NYT piece, as I am not a subscriber I was not allowed access.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I actually don't find it odd that you would try to defame someone by calling them a "pseudo racist", apparently not realizing that the term can only mean "not really a racist".


As for the NYT piece, as I am not a subscriber I was not allowed access.
I guess the more accurate term would be "quasi-racist"
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Here's a better idea. How about these marginalized groups invent their own AI. Start from the ground up, and invent the whole thing to ensure there is no "inherent bias" built into them.


*snicker*
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Here's a better idea. How about these marginalized groups invent their own AI. Start from the ground up, and invent the whole thing to ensure there is no "inherent bias" built into them.


*snicker*
I suggested this earlier in the thread.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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In other words:

Reality is racist.
It's also about choice.

Black men are more likely to commit crimes than other groups of people, which is statistically true. Do we want to use that knowledge in an AI model? Probably different people have different opinions.

If a credit card company assigns higher credit lines to Asians than to blacks (especially for young people), other things being equal, it can be statistically smart/valid to do so. However, does our law allow this? I do not know.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:15 PM
 
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But if more black people like yours truly learn more machine learning, we can counteract these with our own models that are more sophisticated.
Not likely, but I wouldn't bet against you getting some foundation to pay you to try. You could call it the "Black AI Project".

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I like the idea of "racist big data". This means that there is an actual market for black people who want to go into the vast field of machine learning and data science.
Go for it. Ahmed the Clock Boy proved that there is a huge untapped market for anti-racist pseudo-tech.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:27 PM
 
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I should have added that apart from this specific issue, I do think we should listen to the geniuses when it comes to AI.
Sam Harris makes a pretty convincing case for why we should be very worried:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwDnvA7mQMQ

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Old 06-28-2016, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Not likely, but I wouldn't bet against you getting some foundation to pay you to try. You could call it the "Black AI Project".


Go for it. Ahmed the Clock Boy proved that there is a huge untapped market for anti-racist pseudo-tech.


Curious. Why the term "pseudo-tech"?
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:22 AM
 
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Curious. Why the term "pseudo-tech"?
... because I think "racist big data" is pretty much a bogus concept. Certainly some of the examples cited in that NYT article are bogus. So any attempt to address the issue with a technical fix would just be compounding the nonsense. That said, it sounds like a great idea to pitch to some liberal organization for grant money.
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Old 06-28-2016, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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... because I think "racist big data" is pretty much a bogus concept. Certainly some of the examples cited in that NYT article are bogus. So any attempt to address the issue with a technical fix would just be compounding the nonsense. That said, it sounds like a great idea to pitch to some liberal organization for grant money.
I said "racist big data" to be synonymous with "biased big data". I think this is the issue in the world of data. All day, no matter how much we would not like it to be, has a pre-existing bias. Sometimes it's actually good. In terms of crime prevention, it may or may not be good.


Me personally I'm biased, because I think the word "crime" has to be evaluated. I don't think selling drugs should be a crime, and I feel if drugs weren't a crime, we would see less black people actually committing "crimes". So I was just thinking that me, or someone who is black and interested in this problem could build a model like this as proof.
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