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"For four hours plus, Comey stood the committee on its collective ear. Yes, there was some real dumbassery involved in how HRC handled her home server. Yes, he would use the word reckless. Yes, he would even use the word dangerous. No, he would not be indicting her because dumbassery in an official capacity is not a criminal offense—which is a good thing, otherwise there would have been very few members of the House majority able to attend Thursday's hearings."
Except for the part where:
Comey acknowledged that his investigation directly conflicts at least three statements she made to Congress. That's called perjury which Comey said he did not take into consideration because it was not part of his investigation.
Comey admitted that Hillary gave between 2 and 10 people full access to all classified information on her server to those she know have no security clearance. Again, Comey said that was not part of his investigation.
Comey was informed that he certainly would be asked to "investigate" these crimes within hours to I guess confirm what he has already testified to. LOL
Looks like the Comey Statement, the Comey Testimony . before Congress, the 2 Inspector Generals' Testimony before Congress ......... all overshadowed by an Ambush in Dallas to Kill White Police.
This is why the majority is totally clueless in the USA Today.
The Conversation is now more of the "Guns, EVIL, EVIL Guns" and "Killer Cops" ....than a Reckless, Unsophisticated (i.e. stupid) woman who can't even follow basic National Security Protocols/Rules/Regulations/Laws and LIES to the American Public and Congressional Committees.
Hillary Clinton even managed to ask for an Investigation into "use of force by Police" along with her normal Gun Control. This was a great day for her. The Media was able to pretend that Her Email Debacle and Testimony on her Incompetence, LIES and lack of any interest in the National Security of this Nation ......... just didn't happen.
And you folk keep missing that the chains are alleged by some unnamed agency to be TS compartmental. But that is what it is - an allegation. These clearly are the work product of the state dept and the assertion of classification is based on the subject. There appears no question that they originated at state. So can another agency classify the work product of the state dept? I don't think so.
And again I have seen the Blumenthal email being cited as a major security violation by Clinton. How on earth can an email from an outside civilian be a high level classification offense? Absurd enough that even the right should discount it. Yet two of Blumenthals emails sent to Clinton are now fully classified.
Is this all not weird? How can one take it seriously.
If you want to believe that "cannot" (YOUR choice of words) is the same as we can but, choose NOT to, then go for it.
"Seth B. Waxman, a former federal prosecutor,"Certainly, the FBI could open an investigation for perjury charges,"
Then you either (a): still don't understand the process, or (b) are being intentionally stubborn.
Waxman is right - the Bureau can open a case - upon the receipt of a referral. It cannot independently 'choose' to open a case regarding the legality of a statement made to a congressional committee. Hence, the reason Comey responded, "Sure do," when asked by the chairman whether he needed a referral. Note he didn't say, "it would be nice" or "it would expedite things," he said "[We] sure do."
In fact, you might recall the hullaballoo that ensued when the Bureau obtained a warrant to search a crooked congressman's office a half-dozen years back. That almost came to agents pointing guns at police and vice versa. (The reason they could run that case is the corruption occurred in New Orleans, not in the legislature.)
But if you are still convinced that an executive branch agency can go run a case about something that happens in Congress (such as perjury) without a referral, then please go to FLETC or Quantico, sleep through the class where they tell you why that isn't done, become an agent, truck on up to the Capitol and try to get through the metal detectors. Explain to the nice police officers at said metal detectors that you are there to investigate a perjury allegation in one of the subcommittees - without a referral.
After the chief of the Capital Police calls your boss and gudgingly releases you back to your own agency, please report directly to your ASAC, surrender your badge, credentials and gun, 'cause you're gonna be fired.
Now, is that 'can't' be done, or is that 'we don't do that?'
I don't really care which term of art you use. If one of my agents did that, I would suspend him on the spot (pending dismissal) and my Director would be apologizing to Congress, the Secretary, the AG and anyone else standing nearby for weeks. To me, who knows the underlying reason for the separation of powers, that equals 'can't.'
Director Comey was exactly correct about this - even if he said it in gentler, more diplomatic prose than did I.
C'mon. It's plain as day.
These guys were hired by Hillary to shoot up Dallas in order to deflect the mailgate issue out of the limelight. Once again she dodges the bullet with her corrupt practices.
I'm sure they and their families were well compensated to orchestrate this attack and keep their mouths shut. This was no coincidence.
And you folk keep missing that the chains are alleged by some unnamed agency to be TS compartmental. But that is what it is - an allegation.
It's TS or not, period end of story. And please, tell us what you definition of what "compartmental" means?
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These clearly are the work product of the state dept and the assertion of classification is based on the subject.
YOu cannot prove that, you even state that...."some unnamed agency" If it was the state department.....it cannot be unnamed....
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There appears no question that they originated at state. So can another agency classify the work product of the state dept? I don't think so.
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And again I have seen the Blumenthal email being cited as a major security violation by Clinton. How on earth can an email from an outside civilian be a high level classification offense? Absurd enough that even the right should discount it. Yet two of Blumenthals emails sent to Clinton are now fully classified.
Is this all not weird? How can one take it seriously.
The same way the non governmental people can have TS clearances....which seems to be a problem for some....
It's TS or not, period end of story. And please, tell us what you definition of what "compartmental" means?
Ahhh no. That is not how it works. There is lots of long standing differences on the subject. It is TS as long as everyone agrees...But then the Ambassador wants to tell the locals what really happened. But the CIA screams "You can't" it will disclose that we know the truth and may tip off the method we used to get the information.
How is it decided? Those in charge reason together and try and balance the need for secrecy versus the need to tell the locals what really happened. And if they agree it is settled.
If they do not agree then the Ambassador either tells or does not. And the Ambassador then stays or does not.
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YOu cannot prove that, you even state that...."some unnamed agency" If it was the state department.....it cannot be unnamed....
Read Comey's statement again please. He said he sent the information to the likely involved agency but does not name them. State Dept is involved in virtually anything but so is CIA and NSA. So who said they were classified? Well apparently not State...And Comey has never suggested it was...
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The same way the non governmental people can have TS clearances....which seems to be a problem for some....
The number of positions argued here on CD based on processes they do not understand is stunning!
TS/SCI material arises from inside the intelligence community. There are about a dozen and a half agencies in that community. There is one very small office inside State that is considered a part of the community; the rest are from other departments. Generally, State is considered a user of intelligence, not a generator of it.
Ergo, you would be safe to assume that the TS/SCI (what some have called 'Special Access Program') material originated from outside the State Department. Classification authority over that material rests with the originating agency. Period. No exceptions. None. Done.
However, discussions about that material could occur between any two persons who were read into that program and who knew the material. They could be inside the IC, at State, in Congress or at the WH.
So here is what you may safely assume happened: The Intel Community generated some data and classified it really, really highly. Two or more Knuckleheads at State, who were provided with that data so they could do their jobs, decided to have a conversation about that data on an unclassified e-mail system. Apparently (according to the Bureau), none of the Knuckleheads were 'sophisticated' enough to know what the hell they were talking about. So they talked about it on an unsecured network.
Having worked in government for more than thirty years, I have no doubt that is what happened.
What should scare the hell out of everyone is that half the US wants to elect one of those Knuckleheads as their next president.
The number of positions argued here on CD based on material not understood is stunning!
TS/SCI material arises from inside the intelligence community. There are about a dozen and a half agencies in that community. There is one very small office inside State that is considered a part of the community; the rest are from other departments. Generally, State is considered a user of intelligence, not a generator of it.
Ergo, you would be safe to assume that the TS/SCI (what some have called 'Special Access Program') material originated from outside the State Department. Classificaton authority over that material rests with the originating agency. Period. No exceptions. None. Done.
However, discussions about that material could occur between any two persons who were read into that program and who knew the material. They could be inside the IC, at State, in Congress or at the WH.
So here is what you may safely assume happened: The Intel Community generated some data and classified it really, really highly. Two or more Knuckleheads at State, who were provided with that data so they could do their jobs, decided to have a conversation about that data on an unclassified e-mail system. Apparently (according to the Bureau), none of the Knuckleheads were 'sophisticated' enough to know what the hell they were talking about. So they talked about it on an unsecured network.
Having worked in government for more than thirty years, I have no doubt that is what happened.
What should scare the hell out of everyone is that half the US wants to elect one of those Knuckleheads as their next president.
You are welcome to your suppositions but you have nothing to support it.
And apparently one of the items of such intense classification was written by an outside civilian.
According to Comey it has nothing to do with data...it is the subject is forbidden and unthinkable.
So it is a thought exercise. If you think about "this" your thought is classified and if you write it down you violate the classification system.
I really wish I was kidding but that appears to be what is going down.
And it can never be resolved as the subject is to classified to even refer to it generally.
And they want that "knucklehead" because she appears vastly superior to the other choice.
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