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William Gordon, thanks for putting that list together. The responses will be interesting.
There are two kinds of Trump supporters, those that deny he is a racist and those that love him because he is a racist.
That's just the first page of the google search...oh wait, they're all part of the massive conspiracy, bought and paid for by the Clinton's. Did you ever stop and think just maybe these stories are because of what the dumpster says ad nauseam?
Wapo, Huffpo, Daily Beast, Al Jazeera, etc.
Great job on that non biased list!
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William Gordon, thanks for putting that list together. The responses will be interesting.
There are two kinds of Trump supporters, those that deny he is a racist and those that love him because he is a racist.
Funny thing here EL, is the authors actually put their names on the bylines and supported their comments with facts. Dang, those conspiracy theories always get shot in the ass when you use Trump's own words used to implicate him.
The thing about the dumpster divers is they love the fact the Donald "tells it like it is." Then when reporters use his words to prove he is a racist and a bigot they get all crazed. We used to try and teach people if someone doesn't comprehend what you are saying, don't blame the listener. It's more likely what you are saying is causing the confusion, not what listeners are hearing.
If Trump isn't a bigot, perhaps he should cut the hyperbole and the rhetoric. Take any one of those columns and read what the Donald said and why people view him as a racist.
The problem when you make accusations based on only one side of the "facts, " written by obviously biased writers, is that the only people your convincing are the ignorant and gullible.
Often times, "facts" are words taken out of context, or events construed differently to the way they actually happened, to suit a writers political agenda. Writers are, after all, paid to write in a sensational manner because it's always about how many readers, or hits that they can convert into revenue.
So cherry picking political hit pieces only hurts you, the reader, by shielding you from a fuller understanding of why this phenomenon (Trump) exists and is changing the face of politics, forever.
Once again, this election is not about Trump, but the dissatisfaction of conservatives and the direction of our country. Trump just happens to be our flag bearer, warts and all.
I responded no because what can he do? The police shootings are done largely by ex-military (both Dallas AND Baton Rogue were ex-military) and it isn't clear if race was the reason they snapped. And because both are now dead, there is only so much investigation to be done. What more can Obama do, set up a presidential task force for an investigation on police shootings that won't be completed until well into our next president's first (and likely last) term in office?
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It is the fault of the shooter and no one else.
Being the first black president - Obama has tried to walk a very fine line. He must be doing it because many whites think he says too much and many blacks think he says too little.
He does. For a long while I bought the right-wing lies. Then they ran us into fiscal cliffs and debt ceilings in 2013 over Obamacare and again in 2015 over a doctored Planned Parenthood video. In October 2013, I woke up.
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That's part of the problem with this guy - he worries too much about what people think, and not enough about what is and is not the right thing to do or say.
And as president you have to please everyone. For years, Reagan didn't talk about AIDS. Then his buddy Rock gets it and all of a sudden, he realizes something needed to be done. He even wanted Ryan White and other hemophiliacs who got the disease through blood transfusions to not go to school with "his children." He gave a speech at a 1987 gala and encouraged testing for immigrants and the gays in the audience booed him and turned their backs on him. Since then, Presidents have tried being more walk the line. Granted, Reagan was already a lame duck by this point but you get the idea...
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No he does not bear the responsibility and I am very very sick of racists and bigots blaming him.
I watched a live interview today with a man name Terry Cunningham who is president of the International Chiefs of Police. He stated quite clearly and intelligently that after meeting with Obama and other law enforcement personnel last week at the WH, he does not, and nobody can, question Obama's commitment to law enforcement and stopping these killings.
I believe this man (Cunningham), as I feel he has vastly more knowledge and experience with these issues than some of the divisive haters on the forum and around the country. Real easy to sit in your armchair and blame everyone but yourself. The disrespect many in this country have given our president is one of the major contributors to the hate and destruction we are now experiencing.
The haters, racists and those exacerbating the divisions are to a large extent to blame, whether they be black or white. Posts like these most certainly do nothing productive regarding this situation, but most certainly encourage divisions.
"...Police groups and activists emerged from the meeting saying they didn't always agree with each other on the issues, but they did agree the meeting was productive and could lead to building trust and improving accountability in police departments.
"From the law enforcement perspective, we hear it, we understand it," said Terry Cunningham, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police..."
I was one of these anti-Obama "biggots" though I dated inter-racially (go figure) as I mentioned before. I said on what was it, Election Day 2008 that Obama needs to do right by this country or he'll be the only black president in American history. I fear I was right and I fear that he in a way is a scapegoat. Why because of his race as well as his political ideology. It is hard to rail against your hometeam. Look at sports when people are critical of teams. When I criticized the potential move of the Arizona Coyotes from Glendale to a new arena in Scottsdale, I got a "not a true fan" insult thrown at me, despite me supporting the team for the last 7/8 years going to at least one game a year, even during the shortened lock-out year. Even though Bush gets railed against by Republicans, some would claim you aren't a Republican if you did.
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Why is this in Elections? Shouldn't it be in the Politics forum?
It will be a big part of the election. I don't see Trump being the answer with a more militant presence, and this comes from a security guard at a football stadium.
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I think all of the racial divide and tensions have come following the Dumpsters year long campaign of bigotry and minority bashing.
Ultimately you have to ask yourself, who benefits from the unrest in this country? The answer is easy, the guy jumping up and pointing fingers...makes you start to wonder if there isn't more to the story eh? After all, Trump is the master of hyperbole. Just ask him, he brags about it nonstop.
I agree. The last year + has had a lot of race-baiting comments from the would be Trump crowd and even Rockefellers like my father. My father don't bash minorities except when they need to be. He bashed Mike Brown over fighting over the gun (as did I even though I question it because there is no true proof.) The problem is people are so biased now that it makes things harder. People will tie these two cop killings to #BLM. A friend of mine did so on Facebook and he's NYPD.
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Great post... unfortunately it won't matter.
There are some people who will blame obama for everything just because he is not a Republican.
Flip side is so many dems who said bush was responsible for 9/11. Wow, really?
That's just the first page of the google search...oh wait, they're all part of the massive conspiracy, bought and paid for by the Clinton's. Did you ever stop and think just maybe these stories are because of what the dumpster says ad nauseam?
Yeah Trump is far to divisive, waffling and hypocritical to not be a politician. I think he missed his calling.
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Wapo, Huffpo, Daily Beast, Al Jazeera, etc.
Great job on that non biased list!
Read my response above.
And this is an example of the biases. If Fox News or Red State had this, would you dismiss it too? Oh wait, "Fox News hates Trump," right.
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I vote "No" because police brutality does not depend on who sits in the Oval Office (so far at least*). If anything, Obama's been exactly the opposite without "blaming whitey" (to use certain people's terms). At worst, he's about ten links in the chain away from any such incident - which is precisely my point. You can make anyone look responsible for a terrible incident of any kind if you construct a chain with ten links in it -- chances are you can even make a link connecting your mom or dad or kids to the event with a ten, maybe even five, link chain. This would still be going on even if Hillary were in the White House instead of Barack - or Mitt, too, for that matter.
Anyone wanting to link the President (any president throughtout the years) to police brutality has to provide some pretty convincing evidence for it. So far, I see none in this thread.
*IF Trump's elected, I will make an exception for him - given his uniquely (for a presidential candidate) blatantly inflammatory rhetoric.
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Funny thing here EL, is the authors actually put their names on the bylines and supported their comments with facts. Dang, those conspiracy theories always get shot in the ass when you use Trump's own words used to implicate him.
The thing about the dumpster divers is they love the fact the Donald "tells it like it is." Then when reporters use his words to prove he is a racist and a bigot they get all crazed. We used to try and teach people if someone doesn't comprehend what you are saying, don't blame the listener. It's more likely what you are saying is causing the confusion, not what listeners are hearing.
If Trump isn't a bigot, perhaps he should cut the hyperbole and the rhetoric. Take any one of those columns and read what the Donald said and why people view him as a racist.
Absolutely. He set the stage early on when he said "the cops acted stupidly" in the Gates incident. Even discounting that pre-presidency, he was a racist of the worst kind (start with the church he attended), he could and should have kept his flapping gums shut on social issues. It's 95% on him.
I say 100% yes. He has demonized white police since the Boston professor. He finally admitted he was wrong but invite the police for a beer. It has since escalated.
Absolutely. He set the stage early on when he said "the cops acted stupidly" in the Gates incident. Even discounting that pre-presidency, he was a racist of the worst kind (start with the church he attended), he could and should have kept his flapping gums shut on social issues. It's 95% on him.
So Obama is 95% more responsible for the anger directed at police than the actual suspicious killings of black people at the hands of police?
In their words, you're suggesting talking is more a contributing factor for an unfavorable opinion of police than the actual acts of police killing black people under suspicious circumstances.
Do you right wingers hear yourselves? Clearly, you're trying to use Obama as a convenient scapegoat.
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