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Old 08-10-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Well why should alcohol be served on planes anyway? When you have intoxicated passengers it can only lead to problems. Also, halal is the healthier choice for food so maybe it is the west that needs to adjust.
Moderate drinkers (two drinks a day) are healthier than non-drinkers. So maybe muslims need to adjust and have a couple cold ones now and then.
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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Moderate drinkers (two drinks a day) are healthier than non-drinkers. So maybe muslims need to adjust and have a couple cold ones now and then.
They are promised intoxicating drinks and virgins - but not in this life.
10 rewards for a shaheed
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I believe you're incorrect on this. As the above truck driver case, and countless other cases would reinforce.
Someone must first establish if the religious prohibition is even valid. I don't know what they did in the case of beer delivery guys but you can't leave it up to the plaintiff to define what is or is not allowed. You see, this is how we'll end up with Sharia courts.
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:28 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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What prohibition is there in Islam against serving alcohol? Nothing that I am aware of. To all those who think this is an open and shut case. Don't be so sure. There was a beverage delivery driver who refused to transport beer cases because he was a Muslim. He sued and won.

Muslim truck drivers refuse to deliver beer, win $240,000 lawsuit - CSMonitor.com
Against serving it? It depends.

As to the truck driver case, it was backed up by EEOC (the Hadith is listed below, their problem was being the carrier). This attendants case was thrown out.

What she is following is commentary on the Quran and not the Quran itself.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi Book 12 Hadith 1295


"The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) cursed ten involved in wine: The one who presses it, the one who has it pressed, its drinker, its carrier, and the one it is carried to, its server, its seller, the consumption of its price, the one who purchases it and the one it was purchased for."


If she is following this Hadith, then she should not be on the plane as it is the carrier. Thus we have another Muslim who has decided what parts to follow and what parts to not.

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Old 08-10-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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Well why should alcohol be served on planes anyway? When you have intoxicated passengers it can only lead to problems. Also, halal is the healthier choice for food so maybe it is the west that needs to adjust.
The west needs to adjust to mandated food intake requirements. Now I've heard everything.
We are a nation of freedom of choice. We value that above all.
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Guess what will happen eventually? People will stop hiring Muslims to avoid the hassle that may come as a result of it.

And unless anyone can prove discrimination, which is extremely difficult to do, no company will be nailed for it.
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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She's wasting her time and money. The EEOC found her complaint to be without merit, for one. Also, there is no prohibition of serving alcohol in islam, so she cannot claim religious discrimination. For crying out loud, Emirates Airline requires their F/As serve alcohol, no exemptions. Also, she wanted 'reasonable accommodation'..well she worked for a regional airline that flies smaller aircraft that only have one flight attendant to begin with. She's asking for an exemption to a very specific and common job task of being a F/A. How would they 'reasonably' accommodate her? They can't have a another attendant do it for her as there's only one on board. Pilots can't do it of course. Against federal law for passengers to serve their own alcohol on a flight, sooo? What did she expect? She's a fool and she'll lose, praise allah.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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I believe you're incorrect on this. As the above truck driver case, and countless other cases would reinforce.

You're right. Companies are expected to make "reasonable" accommodations for religious beliefs. In the case of the truck driver, they could have just switched his route to one where soft drinks were being delivered instead of beer. He would have still been fulfilling the duties of his job description (delivery of beverages) and they would have been extending "reasonable" accommodation.


Of course, the whole issue revolves on what is "reasonable". I guess we'll find out on a case by case basis.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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You have to provide "reasonable accommodations" for protected classes. Religion is a protected class.

LMAO! Serving alcohol to passengers is a huge part of the job. It isn't "reasonable" to decide that she doesn't have to serve alcohol to passengers. Fire the *****!

The Muslim woman is testing us. Nothing more.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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She's wasting her time and money. The EEOC found her complaint to be without merit, for one. Also, there is no prohibition of serving alcohol in islam, so she cannot claim religious discrimination. For crying out loud, Emirates Airline requires their F/As serve alcohol, no exemptions. Also, she wanted 'reasonable accommodation'..well she worked for a regional airline that flies smaller aircraft that only have one flight attendant to begin with. She's asking for an exemption to a very specific and common job task of being a F/A. How would they 'reasonably' accommodate her? They can't have a another attendant do it for her as there's only one on board. Pilots can't do it of course. Against federal law for passengers to serve their own alcohol on a flight, sooo? What did she expect? She's a fool and she'll lose, praise allah.

That's what, IMO, makes this case very different than the truck driver. There is no way to "reasonably" accommodate her when she's the only F/A on the plane. In his case, his route could have easily been switched so he wouldn't have to deliver alcohol. In her case, there was no way to "reasonably" do so.
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