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Old 08-12-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Pedro, the problem with your plan is that Harris county will mail the voter cards every two years. You registered them to vote, what if they do?

Easier still would be to befriend the old ladies at a nursing home. Help them get their vote by mail cards mailed in to get the ballots. Both political parties mail the application for mail in ballots to all over 65. Then help them to fill in their vote by mail ballot. Most can't see what you mark on the ballot. I know somebody who got on the school board that way.

I was working for a candidate in San Antonio years ago. My precinct was in Alamo Heights. I drove by every house. Four vacant lots voted 8 people. You could register on vacant lots.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Pedro, the problem with your plan is that Harris county will mail the voter cards every two years. You registered them to vote, what if they do?
People are creatures of habit. If they have not registered in the last five years, odds are strong they won't.

Additionally, it's why you'd mainly utilize early voting.

Plus, poll workers don't have the authority to detain you. if they say "it shows you've voted", you say that can't be right, let me go get my wallet out of the car and you drive off.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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1. Although a Democrat, I have no problem with photo-ID for voting. Seems reasonable to me.

2. I do think other efforts in a number of red states have been designed to hold down minority voting even more than it already is.

3. Gerrymandering is wrong -- on both sides.

4. What I see a lot of this year is right-wingers making pre-excuses for losing the election. It's rigged. Voter fraud. Etc.
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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1. Although a Democrat, I have no problem with photo-ID for voting. Seems reasonable to me.

2. I do think other efforts in a number of red states have been designed to hold down minority voting even more than it already is.

3. Gerrymandering is wrong -- on both sides.

4. What I see a lot of this year is right-wingers making pre-excuses for losing the election. It's rigged. Voter fraud. Etc.
I always find the concern for voter fraud amusing when compared to Gerrymandering which most definitely steers the election. Out of 435 seats in the house only 21 were defeated in 2010-2012, only 61 were decided by less than 10% of the vote and incumbents were overwhelmingly returned to office.


To defeat those type of numbers you would need voter fraud on a fairly massive scale to tilt an election. We keep hearing about massive voter fraud in the states and then nothing.


Some states have created reforms with independent commissions but others are way behind, it is laughable that Gerrymandering is ignored while they create all this legislation to address voter fraud.
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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I always find the concern for voter fraud amusing when compared to Gerrymandering which most definitely steers the election. Out of 435 seats in the house only 21 were defeated in 2010-2012, only 61 were decided by less than 10% of the vote and incumbents were overwhelmingly returned to office.


To defeat those type of numbers you would need voter fraud on a fairly massive scale to tilt an election. We keep hearing about massive voter fraud in the states and then nothing.


Some states have created reforms with independent commissions but others are way behind, it is laughable that Gerrymandering is ignored while they create all this legislation to address voter fraud.
There ought to be a law. The gerrymandering in Texas is what got us Ted Cruz. Tom Delay will be dead and gone years before his gerrymandering of congressional districts is overcome.
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Old 08-12-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There ought to be a law. The gerrymandering in Texas is what got us Ted Cruz. Tom Delay will be dead and gone years before his gerrymandering of congressional districts is overcome.
The appointed an "independent" commission in NY last year, one appointee from each party and one by the governor, not really independent but it's a step. The federal congressional district boundaries in NY look like snakes, that is why the election is over before it even started.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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Of the small amount of voter fraud that has been found, it almost exclusively happens with absentee ballots & that is a fact that you can verify for yourself. So, why are red states trying to pass voter ID laws instead of attacking the fraud that actually exists with absentee ballots? Could it be because mostly older, white, conservatives use absentee ballots?
I'm all for implementing ID's for all forms of voting but the first step in that process is implementing for in person voting because it's so easy to do. Once you have a system in place you can consider how to tackle the much more difficult challenge of absentee balloting and newer technologies like online voting.

You're complaining about inconveniencing a small part of the population that do not have ID, absentee balloting is going to require biometrics along with the ID. I'll support that if a better idea can't be formulated, what do you suggest?
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:25 PM
 
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I'm all for implementing ID's for all forms of voting but the first step in that process is implementing for in person voting because it's so easy to do. Once you have a system in place you can consider how to tackle the much more difficult challenge of absentee balloting and newer technologies like online voting.

You're complaining about inconveniencing a small part of the population that do not have ID, absentee balloting is going to require biometrics along with the ID. I'll support that if a better idea can't be formulated, what do you suggest?
Sure, biometrics are fine, create the ability for a person to leave their thumb print on their absentee ballot, or have people file absentee ballots via secure internet connection. And I have no problem with photo ID's for voting, but make them free, readily accessible and have them standardized for the entire US, and provide a means for people to obtain an ID if they don't have a birth certificate or proof of name change (from marriage or divorce). I can get a bank account without a photo ID if I have a sworn affidavit, there needs to be that same process for getting a voter photo ID.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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and have them standardized for the entire US,
Real ID already sets the standards and that can be updated for purposes of voting, could we expect support from Democrats at the Federal level for that? Bahahahaha, yea right.

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I can get a bank account without a photo ID if I have a sworn affidavit, there needs to be that same process for getting a voter photo ID.
Using what PA was doing which I previously mentioned will work fine, if you want to add affidavit to the list of things they can use that works for me. It's largely irrelevant because this going to be a very small group of people making it much easier to identify fraud. As time goes by their numbers will reduced to nothing.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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That's how it works in Michigan. When you registered to vote you signed a form; when you go to the poll to vote, they have a copy of your signature at the poll. The first thing you do is fill out a small piece of paper with your name and address, you sign it, and you give that to a poll worker who checks to see it's complete, and hands that off to another poll worker, who looks you up on their voter list and writes your name in the log book as having voted. I think a third poll worker is the one who verifies that your signature matches the signature in their file. Then you are given a ballot and a privacy sleeve into which you put your completed ballot before dropping it in the ballot box.
I agreed...That's the manner by which it works in Michigan. When you enlisted to vote you marked a structure; when you go to the survey to vote, they have a duplicate of your mark at the survey. The principal thing you do is round out a little bit of paper with your name and address, you sign it, and you offer that to a survey laborer who verifies it's finished, and hands that off to another survey specialist, who finds you on their voter list and composes your name in the log book as having voted. I think a third survey specialist is the person who confirms that your mark coordinates the mark in their document. At that point you are given a poll and a security sleeve into which you put your finished tally before dropping it in the voting station.
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