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I never said to deny her, her rights. I said she needs charged so she can claim them. This was fraud on a massive level or 5300 people need to sue Wells Fargo for improper termination.
No one was charged for that fraud.
There doesn't appear to be evidence that she knew, thus charging her with a crime based upon no evidence would be a violation of civil rights.
The people that actually set up the accounts DID commit fraud as they are the ones that went into the sytem etc.
Maybe to make their own incentive goals, maybe on orders from a level or two above them.
Fraud is not always top down but can also just be the worker bees working the system under the bosses radar.
Now if they have any whistleblower or email or other document tying the gal to the action and instructing people to do this....then by all means arrest her.
Keep in mind, the amount of actual fraud is insignificant to Wells-Fargo as it totaled just 5 million over a few years.
If you think about it rationally, the amount isn't significant to warrant someone at her level doing something to add a few mil a year in revenue. Logically, it seems this was a side-effect for them pushing quotas on their worker bees and 5% of those worker bees cheated.
If you would like a historical precedent, without looking does anyone know what sparked the meme "Kilroy was here"? It had to do with riveters cheating to make more money.
The definition of felony theft varies, state to state.
Stealing a cup of soda does not qualify for felony theft in Arkansas.
Do you think the guy who twice hit the store manager with his car as he attempted to escape may have had something to do with charges? Maybe someone checked the wrong box on a form or maybe it's goofy reporting.
Are you assuming that there is proof and wells fargo gave her a pass out of the bottom of their warm heart?
Or is it just likely she knew but we aren't completely sure....it could be lower ranking employees found a way to cheat the system which I've personally seen uncovered at companies I've worked at.
If you think all these things are always "top down" and never "bottom up" or "middle down" you've never worked in corporate America. Often people at the top are clueless about these types of things unless they came up through the ranks and lets face it....people that get to that level don't come up through that low of level position.
What's the burden of proof for a good ole fashioned lynch mob like you seem to be suggesting?
The burden of proof is called "the buck stops here." She may not have known, but she's paid to know.
Let's not be so quick to let people off the hook for things that WE'D be in a lot of trouble for. The equivalent crime in our jobs would mean a firing...without compensation and maybe some handcuffs to go along with it.
There doesn't appear to be evidence that she knew, thus charging her with a crime based upon no evidence would be a violation of civil rights.
The people that actually set up the accounts DID commit fraud as they are the ones that went into the sytem etc.
Maybe to make their own incentive goals, maybe on orders from a level or two above them.
Fraud is not always top down but can also just be the worker bees working the system under the bosses radar.
Now if they have any whistleblower or email or other document tying the gal to the action and instructing people to do this....then by all means arrest her.
Keep in mind, the amount of actual fraud is insignificant to Wells-Fargo as it totaled just 5 million over a few years.
If you think about it rationally, the amount isn't significant to warrant someone at her level doing something to add a few mil a year in revenue. Logically, it seems this was a side-effect for them pushing quotas on their worker bees and 5% of those worker bees cheated.
If you would like a historical precedent, without looking does anyone know what sparked the meme "Kilroy was here"? It had to do with riveters cheating to make more money.
Think you nailed it. The incremental income generated by these fraudulent accounts is insignificant to Wells Fargo. When you get down to it, the financial rewards for hitting sales targets was also insignificant. There a media interview with a branch manager who said he engaged in fraud to avoud having to sit through an after business hours conference call, chastising various branch managers for not hitting their targets. He just wanted to go home after work.
Best guess on my part , there is a serious regional component to this situation whereby mid level executives put branch managers and employees under a lot of pressure to hit their targets. And some chose to do so by cheating.
The definition of felony theft varies, state to state.
Stealing a cup of soda does not qualify for felony theft in Arkansas.
Do you think the guy who twice hit the store manager with his car as he attempted to escape may have had something to do with charges? Maybe someone checked the wrong box on a form or maybe it's goofy reporting.
The burden of proof is called "the buck stops here." She may not have known, but she's paid to know.
Let's not be so quick to let people off the hook for things that WE'D be in a lot of trouble for. The equivalent crime in our jobs would mean a firing...without compensation and maybe some handcuffs to go along with it.
1. She did get fired.
2. What hook is there to let her off? I've seen nothing to show that she was involved and have already stated that if they have a case against her then throw the book at her but otherwise even rich people get due process.
P.S. Burden of proof is the buck stops here? I guess I've stumbled into guilty until proven innocent land.
2. What hook is there to let her off? I've seen nothing to show that she was involved and have already stated that if they have a case against her then throw the book at her but otherwise even rich people get due process.
No they don't as they are rarely charged to start with.
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