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Old 09-15-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The student body and faculty at America's top colleges and universities tend to be liberal. Why is that? Also, what is the most highly regarded and competitive conservative college/university in America?
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Why is Hollywood Liberal?

Why are the vast majority of media outlets Liberal?

Who are the Deplorables within the Liberals
?

These are some of the other questions that need an answer.
Progressives are far more dishonest, making them the deplorables!

The meme is to turn every argument against the right side.

Hillary passes out and has to be dragged into her SUV. All of a sudden we need Trump's health report? WTF?

I don't even like the guy and won't vote for him, but this is total BS!


It's straight out of the Rules for Radicals!

Progressives like HRC are the most regressive humans on earth!

She's not running to help anyone but herself, and that's a fact!
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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Academia is about research, discovery and innovation.

Conservatism has historically been less compatible with academia, because it favours tradition, norms and so on over new ideas.

That being said, liberals these days are becoming more like conservatives. Unfortunately, they have formed their own set of "norms" and are not interested in debate or other perspectives.
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Liberals took over education in the 60's.

They're doing a great job so far.

"The Gap" lol....real good job.
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Academia is about research, discovery and innovation.

Conservatism has historically been less compatible with academia, because it favours tradition, norms and so on over new ideas.

That being said, liberals these days are becoming more like conservatives. Unfortunately, they have formed their own set of "norms" and are not interested in debate or other perspectives.
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Liberals took over education in the 60's.

They're doing a great job so far.

"The Gap" lol....real good job.
Exactly right!

The party of tolerance has themselves become uber-intolerant to the point of being authoritarian. They (progressives) have hijacked the Democrats, and unfortunately, the ideology has invaded the conservatives as well.

Though I'm not a fan of Trump, the fact that the Republican "establishment" is backing HRC shows how little they, if ever, give a crap about the party. This is why I abandoned it 13 years ago. I'm a Reagan Republican, and even more so, a Goldwater Republican. Now... I'm a card carrying, dues paying Libertarian.

WE are the last hope this country has
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:45 PM
 
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Mechanical engineers and petroleum engineers *do* tend to be more conservative. But engineers in general lean Democratic. The sample size of all occupations was 2.5 million.

-98% of astrophysicists are Democrats.
-84% of physicists are Democrats.
-79% of software engineers are Democrats.
-72% of medical physicists are Democrats.
-70% of chemists are Democrats.
-59% of structural engineers are Democrats.
-55% of nuclear engineers are Democrats.

Democratic vs. Republican occupations



Yeah, but Cal Tech and MIT aren't any schools. I asked why the *top* schools are liberal. It's these schools that have made the greatest contributions to science.

These 25 schools are responsible for the greatest advances in science
So are you talking about top schools or top schools in science? Make your sample space clear.

Astrophysicists, physicists etc. are not engineers, strictly speaking. They depend on government funding more than engineers in private companies.

A large portion of software engineers are foreign born and should be excluded, simply because foreigners cannot be measured with American conservative/liberals metrics. You cannot expect Indians and Chinese to act like American conservatives, although they may be conservative in many aspects. It is not uncommon for an extremely traditional Muslim to support Hillary, for instance.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Why are the bottom colleges and universities liberal? Because almost all colleges are liberal, they're an echo chamber that attracts like minds, it's a self reinforcing delusion that doesn't tolerate diverse opinions.

Conservative Profs Silenced | LifeZette

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/op...ance.html?_r=0

Liberals Recognize Conservative Suppression On College Campuses

A recent poll conducted by Young America's Foundation found that 75 percent of graduating college seniors noted that they were required to take diversity courses, race & ethnicity courses, or feminist/women's studies courses in order to graduate. When viewing the content of these courses it is clear that many of these courses are not being taught objectively but rather with a liberal bias. Why is it that these courses are being required and not just offered as electives? Also, where are the conservative courses?


Conservatives Censored on College Campuses? - ABC News
"The universities have been so captured by the left point of view, that you're going to get more political and intellectual diversity at your average suburban mega-church than you are at an elite university," said French.

And yet liberals still mindlessly repeat the party line "there's no liberal bias, there's no brainwashing happening, there's no pushing one viewpoint, liberals are all open minded" So open minded their brains fell out.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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The same science that tells us gender is whatever you choose?
That's actually a different kind of science all together.

The pseudo science of creationists is directly in contrast with practical science. Biology, physics, chemistry; what we typically think of as science is in opposition to the view that humans walked with dinosaurs and such. This is because one is completely made up and the other is based on observation.

The gender identity thing is based on social science, which has a different methodology that what we could call "natural science" (that's kind of an archaic term for it, but it works).

However, some research in "natural science" has been done on this. Regardless of if it supports the hyper liberal idea that you can just choose to be something arbitrarily, there have been some studies done that shows transgendered people, post transition (primarily dependent on if they're taking the necessary hormone supplements) show changes in behavior and thought patterns that begin to differ from their biological sex. I would say the science is far from settled on this, but there has been some research to give at least partial validity, to some extent, to the transgender issue.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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I would say there's a lot of complicated reasons for why universities seem to be more "liberal."

Firstly, modern conservatives oppose intellectualism. That's not me calling them stupid (per se), but just look at the Trump fad (or at least I hope it's a fad). Trump operates on half truths and exaggeration or statements that simply can't be validated. Trump will say things like "people tell me all the time that they want a wall" or something, and we can't actually disprove or prove that. Now, in an intellectual circle, we'd simply dismiss it as being an arbitrary statement. But it's used to justify the idea that he's a man of the people.

Conservatives also tend to value things like tradition. This comes in many forms. Some form have no impact on their view on academia and intellectualism; some do. Like religion. While some forms of religions warmly embrace science, these by nature tend to be more liberal. So when we get into social conservatism, who value tradition like keeping homosexuality a secret and more patriarchal family structures, they'll gravitate to the religious groups that affirm this and not the ones that say gay people are welcome to partake in worship. While they may go for the affirmation of their social conservatism, they'll pick up that anti-science bunk along the way, like evolution being a lie and the Earth being 6,000 years old, both of which are verifiably false. Universities then, as is their job, would teach that these views are false because.. well, because they are. So, this creates a level of disdain for these universities within some conservatives.

But then another thing is that conservatives tend to have a slightly different view on what constitutes as responsibility. This point is not meant as an insult or to be demeaning, while the other two kind of were (not necessarily as an insult, though that's how it will be taken in this play pen of a forum). A liberal will want to do what they love, whereas a conservative would rather do what they're good at or need to do in order to provide for their family or themselves. A conservative would rather go to trade school and get a steady job than invest time and money into a degree in social science. That's neither good nor bad, it just is. But this will result in conservatives being a minority in academia.

But they are a minority. Some people want to present it as if they're non-existent or being oppressed or something, and to put bluntly, that's ****ing BS.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:26 PM
 
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If you test the testosterone levels of the two groups, you may find some significant difference too. In the big data era, many things can be discovered, whether it is useful or not.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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So are you talking about top schools or top schools in science? Make your sample space clear.

Astrophysicists, physicists etc. are not engineers, strictly speaking. They depend on government funding more than engineers in private companies.

A large portion of software engineers are foreign born and should be excluded, simply because foreigners cannot be measured with American conservative/liberals metrics. You cannot expect Indians and Chinese to act like American conservatives, although they may be conservative in many aspects. It is not uncommon for an extremely traditional Muslim to support Hillary, for instance.
I agree with you. As a software engineer, I find the majority of my co-workers to be conservative in nature.

That being said, I am not sure what their political affiliations are. The majority of them might vote democrat, but given the way they talk about issues they would to be voting against their own beliefs.
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