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Old 10-22-2016, 10:09 PM
 
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It'd be nice, but they'll just move it to Mexico or anywhere they can find outside of America or a western country. We're not allowed to have jobs serving our own market.
I'm not real sure about that cause Mexico's birthrate dropping so fast that more Mexican citizens are going back home than coming to the US. What I'm trying to say is wages in that country are fixin' to explode IMHO.

 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:18 PM
 
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I catch what you're saying but; that's a kick in the gut for China since it's working age pop's dropping in real numbers which is forcing wages UP. IMHO that country's time has come and gone.
Honestly, I do not want Chinese money or industry in our country. They are slowly moving in, however, under the radar, and their presence is increasing. Our government just gave away 2600 acres of Apache land in the Southwest to a mining company, Rio Tinto, that's a front for China. A Chinese company bought out the largest "pork" producer in the U.S. and is sending much of their "product" back to China--while they torture the animals and pollute the land here. The Dakota pipeline (as was the Keystone Pipeline) is to run oil to China. I've seen what they've done to the people in Africa and South America. They've ruined their own land, and now they're crawling the globe, trying to grab whatever they can, and ruining land and people in the process. They need to go home and stay home.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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I agree with you OrganicSmallHome. Globalism is just thinly-veiled imperialism. China is acting as an empire on the down low. I don't know if they think they're sly or realize we're to PC to stand up for ourselves.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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I agree with you OrganicSmallHome. Globalism is just thinly-veiled imperialism. China is acting as an empire on the down low. I don't know if they think they're sly or realize we're to PC to stand up for ourselves.
Bingo.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:49 PM
 
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These is not American manufacturing moving back to the United States. This is China moving into the United States. So the real question is: Are Americans willing to sell their country to the Chinese for $14/hour jobs?

Who cares where the parent corp is? The economic benefits largely exist where you physically make stuff. A typical manufacturer might clear 10% pre taxes, so 90 cents of every dollar of revenue is tied up amongst US employees and US supplier employees.


Stop the jealousy (Bernie-esque) over who gets the 10%.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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Who cares where the parent corp is? The economic benefits largely exist where you physically make stuff. A typical manufacturer might clear 10% pre taxes, so 90 cents of every dollar of revenue is tied up amongst US employees and US supplier employees.


Stop the jealousy (Bernie-esque) over who gets the 10%.
It's not about "jealousy"; it's about sovereignty.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 11:58 PM
 
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It's not about "jealousy"; it's about sovereignty.

No sovereignty issue. A corp with fixed assets in manufacturing has sunken cost, not likely to move again, and the big thing is we'd have 90% of its GDP. Today we have, at most the distribution markup, likely 10% at most.
 
Old 10-23-2016, 12:09 AM
 
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No sovereignty issue. A corp with fixed assets in manufacturing has sunken cost, not likely to move again, and the big thing is we'd have 90% of its GDP. Today we have, at most the distribution markup, likely 10% at most.
Plenty of sovereignty issues involved. It's not just about the money, dude.
 
Old 10-23-2016, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Yes, I think it should be illegal for non-citizens to own property in the U.S.
I'm a legal immigrant, not a citizen, and contribute significantly through my taxes and overall spending, including my house. Why should I be excluded from owning a home?
 
Old 10-23-2016, 01:40 AM
 
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I'm a legal immigrant, not a citizen, and contribute significantly through my taxes and overall spending, including my house. Why should I be excluded from owning a home?
I think that if immigrants want to own property, they should apply for citizenship. If you live here, and plan on living here permanently, why wouldn't you apply for citizenship? If you don't want to be a citizen, and only want to take advantage of living here, then I don't believe you should have the right to own property. If you don't plan on living here permanently, you don't need to own property.
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