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There's no law saying all the rest of the population can't own guns either and the rest of the population does. But the title of this thread is " Gun owners, its time to go on the offensive"..........Why?..........
Go on the offensive for what? You have all the laws in our favor already otherwise I would be barred from owning the vast assortment of firearms I do.
The only thing left to do is cancel all firearms laws on the books and have the words "Shall not be infringed" tattooed on everyone's forehead so that's the last thing anybody see's before they die.
Nope. If you live in CA there are more useless laws than most states. Like the dumb mag capacity garbage, and confiscation. The roster, bullet button. The list of stupid laws is long.
I don't know where this comes from as if all people who support BLM are violent or criminals, that simply is not so. Likely many don't grasp what it mean. It means exactly what it say's: Black Live Matter... Translation, the old history of the system utilizing the police to contain and segregate blacks and to act with harsh engage upon and toward blacks is no longer an acceptable format of Law Enforcement !!!!!
Most of you know, that long before Jim Crow and during Jim Crow and Post Jim Crow, the system was structured to use the Police as a means, to threaten, intimidate, attack, harass and every other things that was part of the "forced segregationist programming of Jim Crow society. BLM is saying, No More of such.
We all know a great deal of white society feared blacks having guns since the days of slavery's abolition, for fear, they'd have to face the reflective consequences of their own acts and how they acted embolden because they had the weapons to force the containment of slavery and indenture. Hoover nearly went crazy when he saw the Black Panther stand up and say, no more police beating, no more being shot by the police for no reason other than to force some type of constriction and containment. Today, society is better, we don't see BLM walking around with guns strapped on them, they march, but they are not out with brandishing weapons.
They have looted and destroyed stuff, but I don't see those as being a actual sincere member of the BLM program. Those are hoodlums that see and opportunity to covertly piggy back on the groups position. I think the best way to weed them out, is to for the group to Register its members and only its registered members can march, then there is controls to prevent the looting, and anyone caught looting or damaging property can be caught and prosecuted. without damage to the Organizations Mission.
Today we have crazy stuff with gangs, of all ethic groups, and we have hate groups and they are armed, we certainly don't want to make it easy for them to get more weapons. We also have a society of many borderline mental cases walking our streets, as well as temperamental people who are walking on the edge of being a nut case behind anything.
Do we really want these people to have access to more weapons?
In society, we have to error on the side of caution. There's still means for sport shooter to still engage, and hunters to do what they do. Even with Hunting, I personally don't see where its any type of fair gaming when people have weapons they can shoot the animal form such long distances, I think people should only hunt what they are going to eat. I would not want to go out killing animals for the sake of sport, or mounting their heads on some plaque.
Didn't we as a society learn anything as a people from the massive slaughter of the Buffalo? Or in some cases killing animals to the point of near extinction.
I don't support "sport hunting", likely some have figured that point out already by my post.
Why would a semi auto long gun be your topic of banning?
(I've gone in an looked at all these weapons in the Gun Shops, some look interesting, some are very creative and a lot of craftsman's ship in some hand guns and long guns.)
I'd appreciate to know what is the motivations for such a weapon?
I don't know where this comes from as if all people who support BLM are violent or criminals, that simply is not so. Likely many don't grasp what it mean. It means exactly what it say's: Black Live Matter... Translation, the old history of the system utilizing the police to contain and segregate blacks and to act with harsh engage upon and toward blacks is no longer an acceptable format of Law Enforcement !!!!!
Most of you know, that long before Jim Crow and during Jim Crow and Post Jim Crow, the system was structured to use the Police as a means, to threaten, intimidate, attack, harass and every other things that was part of the "forced segregationist programming of Jim Crow society. BLM is saying, No More of such.
We all know a great deal of white society feared blacks having guns since the days of slavery's abolition, for fear, they'd have to face the reflective consequences of their own acts and how they acted embolden because they had the weapons to force the containment of slavery and indenture. Hoover nearly went crazy when he saw the Black Panther stand up and say, no more police beating, no more being shot by the police for no reason other than to force some type of constriction and containment. Today, society is better, we don't see BLM walking around with guns strapped on them, they march, but they are not out with brandishing weapons.
They have looted and destroyed stuff, but I don't see those as being a actual sincere member of the BLM program. Those are hoodlums that see and opportunity to covertly piggy back on the groups position. I think the best way to weed them out, is to for the group to Register its members and only its registered members can march, then there is controls to prevent the looting, and anyone caught looting or damaging property can be caught and prosecuted. without damage to the Organizations Mission.
Today we have crazy stuff with gangs, of all ethic groups, and we have hate groups and they are armed, we certainly don't want to make it easy for them to get more weapons. We also have a society of many borderline mental cases walking our streets, as well as temperamental people who are walking on the edge of being a nut case behind anything.
Do we really want these people to have access to more weapons?
In society, we have to error on the side of caution. There's still means for sport shooter to still engage, and hunters to do what they do. Even with Hunting, I personally don't see where its any type of fair gaming when people have weapons they can shoot the animal form such long distances, I think people should only hunt what they are going to eat. I would not want to go out killing animals for the sake of sport, or mounting their heads on some plaque.
Didn't we as a society learn anything as a people from the massive slaughter of the Buffalo? Or in some cases killing animals to the point of near extinction.
I don't support "sport hunting", likely some have figured that point out already by my post.
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change
(I've gone in an looked at all these weapons in the Gun Shops, some look interesting, some are very creative and a lot of craftsman's ship in some hand guns and long guns.)
I'd appreciate to know what is the motivations for such a weapon?
Change, you are not effectively making a point or an argument.
Is English your second language, perhaps? If so, kudos.
For the reasons I previously stated, I'll just say that I, likely a majority of this country and other knowledgeable commentators , disagree with the majority of what you just posted.
Change, you are not effectively making a point or an argument.
Is English your second language, perhaps? If so, kudos.
For the reasons I previously stated, I'll just say that I, likely a majority of this country and other knowledgeable commentators , disagree with the majority of what you just posted.
"It's OK" that you disagree.. I didn't know that you had been elected to speak for any majority, but if you have been, Congratulations.
Also, I don't care to make a single point and I stated my positional factors, its up to you to state or argue as you seem to consider this to be such, your point. Or simply do as you did, and say that you disagree with the majority of what I posted.
It still leaves me the full options to address and reference a variety of pointers and factors... if you want a point out it, that's up to you to get one or not.
(I'm sure I used the same alphabet system you use, but if you want to conduct an English class, this likely is not the place and I'm not your student.)
Often people seek some "bottom line finite point", but if people read what is written without some pre expected pursuit of a finite point, they may be able to gather more of what is referenced. It's really that simple.
I talked about BLM
I talked about the History of Jim Crow-Segregationist System
I talked about White peoples concepts of black people with guns, post slavery
I talked about Hoodlums piggy backing on BLM Organization's Program
I talked about Gangs and Hate groups having weapons and getting weapons
I talked about the mentally ill having and getting weapons
I talked about Hunting,
I talked about Sport shooting
I talked about Animals (Buffalo) and the slaughter of such mass volumes
I talked about the civility of learning frim the acts of nearly killing various animals to extinction
I talked about my choice of not caring for Hunting, except for food
Therefore, any part or no part that you want to deal with is your options.
Of the Millions and 10's of Millions in this country, when it comes to any item, including guns, there will be a multitude of views, therefore it is up to each to have their own and understand what supports their views within their considerations.
Am I willing to give up my guns? No I don't see a need to have to do so, I've committed no crime nor been found to be untrustworthy of having them. Therefore, I still support background checks.
At some point in our society, it may come a time when Non Violent Former Felons will be allowed to have guns when they have done their time and the systems say's they are made whole. We are already moving in that direction with the aims to stop asking such questions on job applications. Technology today can do a variety of things to make manage gun ownership.
"It's OK" that you disagree.. I didn't know that you had been elected to speak for any majority, but if you have been, Congratulations.
(I'm sure I used the same alphabet system you use, but if you want to conduct an English class, this likely is not the place and I'm not your student.)
I never claimed ability to represent anyone other than myself.
My apologies then, no offense meant. I was simply curious if language was the limiting factor in this communication.
My comment was meant to help you have the debate you are looking for. The method you are using is far too messy to be more than slightly effective.
I would make the analogy to picking up litter on the sidewalk. Most people will do that, not many are going to head over to the landfill and start cleaning up.
(I've gone in an looked at all these weapons in the Gun Shops, some look interesting, some are very creative and a lot of craftsman's ship in some hand guns and long guns.)
I'd appreciate to know what is the motivations for such a weapon?
Motivations? Take your pick. I can't speak as to any motivations but my own. Utilitarianism being my prime one when it comes to firearms. Each one I own has a niche, but isn't stuck in it. The AR series is highly versatile, easy to maintain, very functional and highly adaptable to changing circumstances. That's what motivates me.
Motivations? Take your pick. I can't speak as to any motivations but my own. Utilitarianism being my prime one when it comes to firearms. Each one I own has a niche, but isn't stuck in it. The AR series is highly versatile, easy to maintain, very functional and highly adaptable to changing circumstances. That's what motivates me.
Thank you, I also have various guns for various reasons.
I don't have an AR as I've not found anything I want to do with it.
I never claimed ability to represent anyone other than myself.
My apologies then, no offense meant. I was simply curious if language was the limiting factor in this communication.
My comment was meant to help you have the debate you are looking for. The method you are using is far too messy to be more than slightly effective.
I would make the analogy to picking up litter on the sidewalk. Most people will do that, not many are going to head over to the landfill and start cleaning up.
My intent was not to win anyone over, only to state "my thoughts" about a variety of elements.
Remember, I said: "Of the Millions and 10's of Millions in this country, when it comes to any item, including guns, there will be a multitude of views, therefore it is up to each to have their own and understand what supports their views within their considerations."
Also, thank you for the information on the variable of suppressor's.. I understood that ATF controls Silencers for the designated specialist who need them. My references to silencers, was not concerning long guns, but "hand guns". We certainly have too many imbeciles in society as I think, for silencers to even be remotely available in the citizen ranks for "hand guns".
Here in this location, a vehicle is considered and extension of ones home, so there are many people armed. It is not like California, where the gun and the clip has to be in two separate places. No only is the gun and clip together here, the round can be chambered as well. (got that info directly from the police, because I asked).
I think if people knew how many people are armed, people would leave other people alone !!!!!
I have a problem with criminals having guns. I also have a problem with people who have small kids and leave guns where the kids can get them. I also have a problem with people who engage in illegal gun trade.
I know many people who don't want a gun in their home. I just happen to think different in that respect. as too I support a concealed permit. Under the current civility of society, I would not carry a long gun slung over my shoulder in general public.
The key is "Responsible Gun Ownership" I am not a general reader who follows NRA News
Last edited by Chance and Change; 11-16-2016 at 05:24 PM..
Also, thank you for the information on the variable of suppressor's.. I understood that ATF controls Silencers for the designated specialist who need them. My references to silencers, was not concerning long guns, but "hand guns". We certainly have too many imbeciles in society as I think, for silencers to even be remotely available in the citizen ranks for "hand guns".
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Suppresors are widely available to any enthusiast for any handgun. The hindrance is the associated NFA tax stamp from 1934 . Which most enthusiasts and the ASA are fighting to have removed.
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