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I think you missed my point rat. The Internet cannot open fire on 37 innocent school children and murder them all. But any person with a modern powerful, semiautomatic rifle can. See rat, guns in this country kill over 27,000+ people every year. They are extraneous killing devices that should only be reserved for military use only. If you want to kill a deer, use a bow. You won't kill 37 deer with your bow, but at least you wouldn't be able to perpetrate a human massacre.
And don't say my view does not matter. It makes you sound petulant and infantile.
actually they are good for more besides that, they are good for repeling violent leftist progressive riots also.
I think you missed my point rat. The Internet cannot open fire on 37 innocent school children and murder them all. But any person with a modern powerful, semiautomatic rifle can. See rat, guns in this country kill over 27,000+ people every year. They are extraneous killing devices that should only be reserved for military use only. If you want to kill a deer, use a bow. You won't kill 37 deer with your bow, but at least you wouldn't be able to perpetrate a human massacre.
And don't say my view does not matter. It makes you sound petulant and infantile.
actually since you are in Texas, well they are good also for repeling mules and drug smugglers crossing the border, see the ar-15 IS GOOD FOR A LOT OF THINGS......
I think you missed my point rat. The Internet cannot open fire on 37 innocent school children and murder them all. But any person with a modern powerful, semiautomatic rifle can. See rat, guns in this country kill over 27,000+ people every year. They are extraneous killing devices that should only be reserved for military use only. If you want to kill a deer, use a bow. You won't kill 37 deer with your bow, but at least you wouldn't be able to perpetrate a human massacre.
And don't say my view does not matter. It makes you sound petulant and infantile.
The Militia is the peoples military.
It doesn't just say, The People have the right to keep & bear arms. It tells you exactly why people have the right to keep & bear arms. It also says it is none of governments business what arms wee bear, or keep, or where we keep them or bear them.
Hunting is a by-product of an efficient survival tool.
[quote=bresilhac;46187055]Today's fanatical gun owners seem to be a bit misguided about what the framers intentions were when they wrote the second amendment. Times were very different back then than they are today regarding gun ownership. The US had just won a terrible, protracted war for independence. What the Constitution stipulated was that the country should have a well armed citizens militia. One that could defend itself against a truly overbearing government or another foreign invader.
Moreover since there were no grocery chains in post Revolutionary America most people had to hunt for their food using long rifle muskets and the like to find food for their very sustenance. A very different environment than today's modern world to be sure. Simply put, the Second amendment as it was written in 1789 cannot and should not be applied to today's world. The Framers never imagined the vast and wide array of sophisticated firearms that are readily available to almost anyone today.
AK-47's, AR-15's, or any other type of finely rifled high-powered, automatic or semi-automatic firearm simply did not exist in that era. To apply a Revolutionary era gun law on a twenty first century nation is inappropriate, and patently absurd in my view.
#1 I AM A GUN OWNER and the only fanatical people I know are liberal, left wing crybabies who are gunophobic, commie socialist, PC, nut jobs that want to destroy our country, constitution, bill of rights and amendments. They want to turn our country into Sodom and Gomorrah one minute, and a Muslim caliphate the next. Are you crazy or just stupid.
#2 Gun owners are not misguided about the framing of the constitution. and neither are you. You are just a liar who wants to twist the truth. The times back then are just like times today. We are still fighting for independence and we have an overbearing government who wants to take away our guns. and our government is being invaded the muslim brotherhood, who wants to take our guns, and the new world order that wants to take away our guns. The middle east has been destroyed, Europe is going down now and we are next.
#3 Most pioneers trapped their wild food or raised cows, chickens, and hogs. You don't know what you're talking about.
#4 Sophisticated firearms today work like old guns.
#5 AK47 and AR15 is nothing compared to a cannon or Gattlin gun.
#6 You're view is inappropriate and absurd, not gun laws.
#7 When blood runs in our streets, you will die a fearful, defenseless fool unable to defend yourself.
#8 This is America. It is a good country. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay.
Wow. Let's hear it for rational, respectful discourse.
I knew someone a few years ago who believed that there should be no restrictions at all on weapons of any kind, on the basis of the Second Amendment. I mean, seriously: none. He believed it should be legal to have a rocket launcher in your backyard.
I think some people need to stop worrying about the Democrats gutting the Second Amendment and focus on what Trump would apparently like to do to the First.
You are afraid Trump will make the U.S. great again. He is no threat to 1st amendment. Political correctness is. I want a rocket launcher too:-). Just kidding about the rocket launcher.
Here is the PA Constitution that predates the US Constitution. I think it's a very effective tool to understand what was intended. Some of the authors participated in authoring both documents.
In 1790 it was split into two sections:
The intention is quite clear, yes?
Yes, quit clear. We have the right to bear arms. There has never been a time of peace, so keep your guns.
Thumbs up to you coalman. You and me agree.
Last edited by Daingerfield; 11-15-2016 at 10:18 PM..
I think you missed my point rat. The Internet cannot open fire on 37 innocent school children and murder them all. But any person with a modern powerful, semiautomatic rifle can. See rat, guns in this country kill over 27,000+ people every year. They are extraneous killing devices that should only be reserved for military use only. If you want to kill a deer, use a bow. You won't kill 37 deer with your bow, but at least you wouldn't be able to perpetrate a human massacre.
And don't say my view does not matter. It makes you sound petulant and infantile.
Guns don't kill people. Psycho people in gun free zones do. Maybe we should all carry guns and have psycho people free zones
Last edited by Daingerfield; 11-15-2016 at 10:14 PM..
Yeah I live in Moscow. Right down the street from Vladimir. Your wingnut paranoia is showing Kracer. Take a break, watch some FoxNews misinformation and you'll just feel fine.
No, just wingnuts. You know as well as I do that the US is the only modern, industrialized nation that suffers this level of gun violence. Look at all the other wealthy, Western countries. Look at Japan. It is very, very tough to buy a gun in Japan for the average citizen. This is because they have strict, effective gun laws in place. Such that gun violence is almost non-existent there as a result. And zero mass shootings. And don't tell me that tired old refrain of guns don't kill people blah, blah, blah. If the shooter had gone into that Aurora movie theatre with a bag of marshmellows and began throwing them at everybody instead of opening fire all those moviegoers would still be around. So let me summarize, guns kill lots of people in this country. People with guns also kill lots of other people. Agreed?
I have a lot of guns. Had them for a long time. They never killed anybody.
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