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Old 11-20-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Yeah 15% unemployment for under 30.
Extreme low birth rates
dependent on the US for defense
constant strikes
extreme cost of living
difficult for upward economic mobility


sounds great.
Europe has a military budget 5 times larger than Russia. Cost of living in Germany is lower than in the US. Especially for health care, food, air fares and education. Americans pay $15 000 on average per child per year for child care...Huge monopolistic corporations in the US in various sectors like banking, cable/internet where they have the full power to buy off politicians to ensure they can crush competition ensures high prices for American consumers.

Upward economic mobility is much better in Northern Europe as the political system is not totally in the hands of the donor class and thus the economy is not rigged to such an extent. This is not the 1500s.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Also,Trump has already strongly signaled those countries in NATO not paying their agreed upon portion of the costs will have to begin to pay what they owe for military support by the US. Those millions and millions that must be paid going forward by the freeloading NATO countries will severely truncate the freebies they have bestowed on their citizens at the expense of the American taxpayers.
It's another non-deliverable Trump statement.
NATO is a wing of the US (and their UK lackeys) geopolitical strategy.
NATO's potential demotion in Europe hurts the US, therefore it won't occur.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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It's another non-deliverable Trump statement.
NATO is a wing of the US (and their UK lackeys) geopolitical strategy.
NATO's potential demotion in Europe hurts the US, therefore it won't occur.
We will see if it is "non-deliverable". I think it absolutely is. In two months, we will no longer have a globalist, neutered idiot in charge of this country.

We will see who is right. Let's revisit the issue in a year or so....
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Some have been wondering which way the Democrats will turn as they climb out of the ashes of the 2016 election. With Barack Obama on the way out, the most influential person in making that determination will be Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who appears to be giving a very enthusiastic embrace to the ideas and vision of the self-proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who caucuses with the Democrats.

A couple of things make this left turn the most likely direction for Schumer and the Democrats to go. First of all, Bernie Sanders may have finished second to Hillary Clinton in the Democrat's primary process, but he was the one who had all the enthusiasm of the party behind his candidacy. He still does as far as I can tell.

Also, the moderate wing of the party really has been almost entirely eliminated, as a result of election losses, primarily in 2010 and 2014, but also in 2016 as well, which featured the loss of the Democrat's 'moderate' nominee, Hillary Clinton.

So, high-ho, high-ho, its to the left they go.

We have seen the same process play out in an earily similar manner over in the UK, starting with their May 2015 national elections. Labour was predicted by the experts to win that contest, just as Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were here. However, the Tories ended up cleaning house, finishing not only with the win, but an absolute majority in Parliament. As far as I am aware, positively nobody predicted that was going to happen. In the aftermath of that shocking loss, the Labour leader Ed Miliband stepped down and was replaced by Jeremy Corbyn, who like Bernie Sanders is also a self proclaimed socialist.

It should be noted that the UK Labour party MP's do not get to select their own leader, the party rank and file do. If the Democrat's were to hold a similar vote for their party leader among their active rank and file right now, who do you think would win? I think it would be Bernie Sanders. But Sanders was not selected by the Senate as the Democrat's Minority Leader, just as Jeremy Corbyn would not be if he was put up to a vote among the UK Labour MP's.

In fact, Corbyn received a no-confidence vote from the Labour MP's this last summer, which forced him to go back out for another vote of support from the rank and file members of the party. He was re-elected party leader by the active Labour rank and file members by a large margin.

However, Jeremy Corbyn has been a disaster for the standing of the Labour Party in the national polls against the Tories. If another election was held today, it is widely expected it would be a historic route with the Tories increasing their margin quite substantially. With Labour moving to the left, many of the disaffected working class voters have moved to support the populist UKIP party, who was the primary moving force behind the Brexit movement. Their major platforms are controlling their borders, reforming their trade arrangements and taking their country back.

Anyone getting that deja vu type feeling just now?

In fact, after winning the election, Donald Trump actually met with UKIP leader Nigel Farage before he spoke with UK PM Theresa May, which created quite a kerfuffle. Birds of a feather....

Anyway, while the hardcore support for Jeremy Corbyn shows a larger following for socialism in the UK than some might expect, it does not appear that Labour has benefited from that, as the disaffected working class has changed sides, as they do not want to go on welfare and they do not think socialism provides them with the opportunities that they believe they should have. What these people do like is Brexit and taking their country back, controlling their borders, renegotiating better trade agreements, and seeing their elected leaders work for them, rather than some agenda that benefits a globalist collectivist elite.

Spooky similar to what we are seeing unfold here, wouldn't you say? Of course the Brits are a bit further along, but if the article above is correct, the Democrats in Washington are likely headed down pretty much the same path.

Whether this plays out the same has yet to be seen, but clearly all the components of a slow motion train-wreck are in place and in motion.
It is just like Chuckie, "never get in his way when there is a camera around" to adopt a loosing platform.

Bernie FAILED to beat Hillary with this platform , so why does he think it will do any better?
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Also,Trump has already strongly signaled those countries in NATO not paying their agreed upon portion of the costs will have to begin to pay what they owe for military support by the US. Those millions and millions that must be paid going forward by the freeloading NATO countries will severely truncate the freebies they have bestowed on their citizens at the expense of the American taxpayers.
You are naive. Trump has made it clear that the gifts to the American military industrial complex will be EXPANDED greatly. Cuts will be made to programs which benefit the 99% who are not part of the big money donor class. Expect to see toll booths on every federal road in America when Trump is done cutting taxes and handing over tax money to the military industrial complex (the biggest socialist institution in America).
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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You are naive. Trump has made it clear that the gifts to the American military industrial complex will be EXPANDED greatly. Cuts will be made to programs which benefit the 99% who are not part of the big money donor class. Expect to see toll booths on every federal road in America when Trump is done cutting taxes and handing over tax money to the military industrial complex (the biggest socialist institution in America).
Go, Bernie!!
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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We will see if it is "non-deliverable". I think it absolutely is. In two months, we will no longer have a globalist, neutered idiot in charge of this country.

We will see who is right. Let's revisit the issue in a year or so....
Well, if Trump can unilaterally alter US global geopolitical objectives then great.
I think he can't.
I think those geopolitical objectives are bigger and run deeper than any current sitting POTUS.
I think Obama found that out once he got in.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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It is just like Chuckie, "never get in his way when there is a camera around" to adopt a loosing platform.

Bernie FAILED to beat Hillary with this platform , so why does he think it will do any better?
Be honest, tell us how many black people would vote Trump over Sanders because they hate the political platform of higher minimum wage, banning for-profit prisons, getting big money out of politics, a national health care system and two weeks paid vacation to all workers by law. Instead of the Trump agenda of gutting the social safety net to fund tax breaks for the donor class and eliminating all restrictions on legalized bribery in politics by nominating Scalia clones to the Supreme Court. By honest, how many black people would jump at the chance of supporting the Trump agenda over a mainstream New Deal democrat?
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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So over this "socialism" nonsense from Americans. You lot don't know what that word even means.

What Americans call "socialism" is what most other Westeners consider worthwhile public expenditure. We've had these systems for decades. If we didn't think it was worthwhile, we would have voted for significant change.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:52 AM
 
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It is just like Chuckie, "never get in his way when there is a camera around" to adopt a loosing platform.

Bernie FAILED to beat Hillary with this platform , so why does he think it will do any better?
Bernie didn't fail, he was cheated out of the nomination by the superdelegates
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