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Every society that has embraced scientific racism has been disastrous or has become a pariah state that had to be reformed through bitter political struggles. Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, apartheid South Africa, 1930s America, Zimbabwe, on and on.
I continue to wonder if you are strangely disconnected from real society. The vast majority of white Americans, if taught that the vast majority of blacks/Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, will not react to these ideas in a way that favors democracy. Surely you recognize this. Imagine a society where all middle school children are taught that blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, which is what Breitbart is coyly trying to "teach America." There would be no end to the humiliation and derogatory attitudes towards blacks and Latinos, Indians and Filipinos.
I again ask you, how do you function in society when you hold these beliefs? How many blacks and Latinos have you been able to express these ideas to? What were their reactions? Do you live in a bubble where you are surrounded by high IQ individuals who are Asian and white or something?
How is it that in the past 15 years I've been talking about this issue with people, every single person who embraces these ideas is a right-wing white male who wants to tear up social safety nets, reduce immigration, and other ideas that all so coincidentally have the most negative effects on Latinos and blacks? Not a single one of these people have ever said "Yes, blacks/Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, so let's make sure they have some assistance, because we have a genetic advantage to them." EVERY single one has tried to cut off ties with blacks/Latinos, not strengthen them.
If Bannon believes in this race science, do you AT LEAST agree that Bannon needs to stop dog whistling about this and come out in public and say it out loud? He's arguably the second most powerful person in the country and holds power over nearly 100 million non-white Americans. Don't these people deserve to hear the truth?
If Donald "I'm the least racist person you've ever met" Trump knows about Bannon's views, doesn't Trump need to come clean about this?
Even if immigration or education policy did start prioritizing people with high IQs there's no reason to think it would be based on group averages.
That's not what i was getting at. With the knowledge that blacks and Latinos are mostly inferior to whites genetically, the resulting education policy, health policy, immigration policy will all disproportionately and negatively impact non-white groups. Few people are going to suggest health care or educational subsidies for low-income blacks if they believe the return on investment is negative, and significantly due to genetic constraints.
It's not a coincidence that white nationalist groups gravitate towards the works of these writers. It fits their policy proposals incredibly well
For decades the GOP has stayed away from genetic explanations for racial income/education gaps while arguing that sheer hard work "bootstrap" mentality and a pro-education mindset can make everyone a model minority like East Asian groups. The GOP officially labelled Chinese americans a model-minority for blacks and Latinos to emulate. But this data suggests that blacks and Latinos have little chance of emulating Chinese Americans even if they tried.
With Bannon in the White House, we may have a guy who will on one hand advocate this "bootstrap" ideology in public while at the same time secretly thinking that many, if not most, blacks are incapable of achieving success due to their inferior genes. Isn't that the definition of a dishonest and cowardly person?
At least in a Libertarian right-wing system, Bell Curve science or no, people would be free to embrace or reject this IQ data as they personally see fit. But in Bannon's America, that's far less of a choice. Bannon, the self described "economic nationalist", is specifically discouraging Americans NOT to trade with Mexico, the Philipinnes, India, and other foreign countries through higher tariffs.
I'd be far more willing to stomach the conclusions of these writers if they were being sold by the CATO Institute/Koch Brothers types, but Bannon and Trump and their nationalism? Bannon, the guy former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro said was trying to turn the GOP into Europe's National Front Party? That's a disgusting and dangerous mixture.
I've never understood the racist science because we are all so mixed it makes no sense. For instance with Latinos, just what is a Latino racially? Seriously, there are white Latinos, Afro-Latinos, and mixed race white/indigenous Latinos. Only in the US is this term "Latino" applied as a race.
Next, African Americans range in mix too. I mean does that mean someone who is more white mixed than someone less is smarter. How do you quantify that? There could be half white half black people that score lower than full black.
Do these racial studies take into account that Eastern European countries are poorer than western and some are even poorer than Asian countries and some Latin American nations such as Chile?
The racial science is pure BS, not from concentrate.
I have no idea how anyone can see Breitbart's repeated positive references to all these writers who say blacks are genetically inferior to whites, and NOT "hear" the dog whistles here.
Seriously. How can you possibly deny this?
If I stumbled upon a left-wing news website that repeatedly cited Marxists, but never SAID they were Marxists or directly quoted their Marxist viewpoints, it'd still be ridiculously obvious that the website was giving a wink and a nod towards the Marxist ideology.
If I ran a left-wing news website and said some Marxist professor was a "one of the smartest brains out there in economics, trade, what it means to this country" (paraphrasing Bannon's praise of Richwine here), you wouldn't think twice about accusing me and my website of Marxist leanings.
But when Bannon does it, it's just nothing, right?
They do that all the time. Bill Moyers, Charlie Rose and Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks both had Marxist economist Richard Wolff on and some have his son, Max Wolff on the show. Noam Chomsky, the anarchist is also always a feature on left of center stuff, as well as Howard Zinn, another anarchist, when he was alive. Many left wing publications cite Mark Weisbrot or Dean Baker who are left wing economists and apologists for the Hugo Chavez regime.
If you must know I watch a lot of CSpan, listen to a lot talk radio on both left and the right, and read a lot of publications both left and right. Marxists, Democratic Socialists or Post-Keynesians (which are one step away from being Marxist) are always cited and consulted.
No. As I said before, these writers believe that different groups have different average levels of intelligence and that some component of the difference is genetic. With phrases like "nearly all" and "very unlikely" you greatly exaggerate the claimed amount of difference. There is a spectrum of IQ scores for any group and a large amount of overlap between any two groups.
Sure, there's a high probability of it happening that way. This is common sense isn't it... something anyone would have guessed before IQ tests were invented?
Again you're exaggerating. Yes, if you have children with an IQ-85 person (the African American mean) as opposed to an IQ-100 person (the white mean) those kids will likely be less intelligent. But if you reproduce with an IQ-115 person, no matter their race, your kids would likely be more intelligent.
breitbart's race realism propaganda is the pseudoscience of white nationalism. Nothing more! Nothing about race realism fits the scientific method... The things you and this group of people is claiming has no basis in reality...
At least in a Libertarian right-wing system, Bell Curve science or no, people would be free to embrace or reject this IQ data as they personally see fit. But in Bannon's America, that's far less of a choice. Bannon, the self described "economic nationalist", is specifically discouraging Americans NOT to trade with Mexico, the Philipinnes, India, and other foreign countries through higher tariffs.
I'd be far more willing to stomach the conclusions of these writers if they were being sold by the CATO Institute/Koch Brothers types, but Bannon and Trump and their nationalism? Bannon, the guy former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro said was trying to turn the GOP into Europe's National Front Party? That's a disgusting and dangerous mixture.
This is where you go off the rails. Economic nationalism isn't tied to racism. I really dislike this notion of tying economic nationalism and populism to racism because it's just a desperate attempt to make globalization seem like the only logical answer. It's especially absurd when supposed left wingers were champions of anti globalization in the past. Now they're all of a sudden pro-globalization because a supposed racist is nationalist or populist? I call BS on that one and think that the Democratic party and liberals moving into NEO-LIBERAL territory and away from real progressivism (under Bernie) has been cemented.
Bernie was also a protectionist and economic populist.
breitbart's race realism propaganda is the pseudoscience of white nationalism. Nothing more! Nothing about race realism fits the scientific method... The things you and this group of people is claiming has no basis in reality...
Have you ever noticed that when these white nationalists talk about race they do so in terms that only make sense from an American's perspective? What I described above about Latinos is one example, the other is that they like to also praise Asian populations for their intelligence forgetting that while many Asians prospered in the US, many more live in the same abject poverty that you'd see in African and LatAm countries too. So their "science" seems very American-centric.
I'm 58, and everyone I know has had a convo about who should/shouldn't be able to.....based on.....Usually in the context of complaining about something. In some of those convos you wouldn't be allowed to have a child without taking classes or passing a test. You are talking about a 3rd party relaying a bit of private convo that happened over a decade years ago for heavens sake. Private citizens, philosophers, researchers, etc. can perform muse about anything they want, nothing is off the table really.
I have no idea what role race or genetics play in intelligence, but it shouldn't be taboo to wonder or look into it. Don't you agree?
Now, if he ever suggests such a things as you claim in his current position it's a whole other story.
There is no role. White nationalists knows this but they continue to spread their propaganda through fake science..
I've never understood the racist science because we are all so mixed it makes no sense. For instance with Latinos, just what is a Latino racially? Seriously, there are white Latinos, Afro-Latinos, and mixed race white/indigenous Latinos. Only in the US is this term "Latino" applied as a race.
No scientist would claim that "Latino" is a race or deny that most Latinos are of mixed heritage.
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Next, African Americans range in mix too. I mean does that mean someone who is more white mixed than someone less is smarter.
And nobody claims that an individual's intelligence can be predicted by their racial admixture. But if you had two groups of 1000 mixed race people, with one averaging 80% black-20% white, and the other the reverse, the second group would have the higher average IQ.
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How do you quantify that?
IQ and genetic testing
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There could be half white half black people that score lower than full black.
Of course.
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Do these racial studies take into account that Eastern European countries are poorer than western and some are even poorer than Asian countries and some Latin American nations such as Chile?
The average IQ of a population is highly correlated with national wealth, but there are other important factors like natural resources and the system of government.
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