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Old 12-07-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes, it happens. Why can't private charitable foundations fill those needs?
If private charities filled the needs back when there were no social safety nets, we wouldn't have enacted them in the first place.

And what do you mean by "yes, it happens." You believe someone should become indigent over being sick or breaking a leg?? Really? And I'm sorry if me yelling at you offended you so much that you had to delete that part of my post. I was trying to speak with you in the same way you were speaking to others.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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End welfare.

Work or starve.
A very high percentage of welfare recipients ARE in the workforce. Many of those who aren't are children, the elderly and the disabled.

We should be far more worried about Wall Street bailouts, subsidies and incentives for corporations and tax loopholes for the wealthiest.

Worrying about some single mother getting SNAP and not being outraged by corporate welfare is like treating a hangnail before treating a bleed-out from a massive sucking chest wound.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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A very high percentage of welfare recipients ARE in the workforce. Many of those who aren't are children, the elderly and the disabled.

We should be far more worried about Wall Street bailouts, subsidies and incentives for corporations and tax loopholes for the wealthiest.

Worrying about some single mother getting SNAP and not being outraged by corporate welfare is like treating a hangnail before treating a bleed-out from a massive sucking chest wound.

Oh no, no. If they are poor, they should starve, become homeless or hope one of the dozens of underfunded private charities magically steps in to help all.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If private charities filled the needs back when there were no social safety nets, we wouldn't have enacted them in the first place.
How do you know they weren't? Give me ONE example of when someone in a car accident or dealing with a bout with cancer wasn't helped.

HOW long has the Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc., been around? WAY before the taxpayer funded welfare programs.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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How do you know they weren't? Give me ONE example of when someone in a car accident or dealing with a bout with cancer wasn't helped.
Read up on the Industrial Revolution, the Potato Famine in Ireland, tenements in America and get back to me about how well private charities helped those people.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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HOW long has the Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc., been around? WAY before the taxpayer funded welfare programs.
And they yet they still couldn't fill the need of all.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Read up on the Industrial Revolution, the Potato Famine in Ireland, tenements in America and get back to me about how well private charities helped those people.
What makes you think that isn't STILL happening with taxpayer funded welfare programs? With the exclusion of Ireland as that's not our responsibility. Do you think inner city minorities don't currently live in tenements? How sheltered ARE you from the real world?
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Her over-riding belief, as with all liberals, is "I won't give any and you won't give enough to make up for me, so that just leaves me taking what I want from you."
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Yup, until you dig a little deeper and find out that "bad situation" and "no fault of their own" is a degree in underwater basket weaving, they lived paycheck to paycheck, refused to move out of a "cool" high cost of living area, and made sure they left exactly on time every single day and never bettered themselves in the workplace.

See, I can cherry pick situations and make them the rule, rather than the exception, just like you can.
Please tell me how I was cherry-picking. Especially in light of your alleged underwater basket weaving degree, please...tell me.

Do you not know anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck? If you do, is it because they want to? If you don't, or believe you don't, could it be because you either aren't listening, or because your judgmental attitude makes them something less than eager to confide in you?
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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What makes you think that isn't STILL happening with taxpayer funded welfare programs? With the exclusion of Ireland as that's not our responsibility. Do you think inner city minorities don't currently live in tenements? How sheltered ARE you from the real world?
My mention of Ireland was to provide a wider scope of understanding of what happens to the poor working class when social safety nets are not in place. Its a good idea to look at what happens in other regions when formulating an educated opinion on a topic.

I understand that many working poor people live in tenements nowadays. Many more would live in them if it were not for government programs and regulations. Is the government perfect? Absolutely not. But throwing out all programs and regulations certainly isn't the solution.
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