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That's not what I said or meant. I was specifically referring to white supremacists.
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Originally Posted by golgi1
Upfront, let me say that I don't believe that anyone should be a protected group. It's obvious that all groups merely agitate for their own political well being, and will do so irrespective of morality if they are in power. Thus, groups should not be given political advantages (ie: being a 'protected group'), often based in race, to agitate for more rent and political privileges that exceed those of other groups. Being a minority is not a justification to corrupt the Law as such. Everyone is a minority somewhere and a majority somewhere, and thus there is no basis for corruption of the Law toward being logically inconsistent and differently applied across groups.
Here's my point: your concept of "white" is racist. In this nation, the English, Scottish, Irish, Germans, Italians, and Poles are all categorized under the general concept of "White" and are agitated against or left out of "protection" because they are labeled as such. In reality, they all come from differing cultures, levels of economic privilege, and histories: some of which are horrific.
That's not my concept. That's something you pulled out your a**. Never once did I claim this as my concept and you know it...
What great things the Nazis have done for the Germans? Thousands of Germans lost their lives after the war, How many Civilian casualties caused by this so called strategic bombing? Germans are still paying for the cost of war. All because of what? ONE crazy ass who perhaps suffered from mental illness!
I can never understand the mentality of the neo-Nazis! They have to be the dumbest people around.
This said, I don't believe any nations should become a Minority-Majority Nation. So if white people and black people want to keep America white/black majority, I have no problem with it.
White people and black people are the original Americans. I am not suggesting that other minorities have no right being here, I am not suggesting that other minorities have not contributed to the American culture. But let's be honest here, you ask any foreigners who are the original Americans? They would tell you white people and black people.
The saddest thing to me as an American is to see white and black refuse to get along. It is just... sad.
I know what you mean about not getting along despite being that whites and blacks have a long heritage in America in common. But the thing is many blacks have a skin color bias, and are in an anti-white alliance with the 'people of color'. The alliance is a sham because latinos, Asians, muslim middle easterners and whoever else is consider a person of royal color don't like each other and have little in common. I'd go so far to say that despite all the imposition and scapegoating whites receive from blacks, whites seek to get along better with blacks more than the other groups do.
As far as whites being made intentionally a minority by mass non-white immigration in their own historical country, only a fool would think whites won't be made the whipping boy. They are already doing it while whites are still the majority. Anyone who wants to be minority white can take their ass to one of the many non-white countries and see how wonderful it is.
No sympathy from me but I think it is wrong to fire her. She has a right to voice her views online while not at work or representing her employer.
I agree with you there but progressive liberals have resorted to infringing free speech through the private sector making and end-run around the concept and protections of free speech. It was a bad precedent set when people stated getting fired for merely free, political speech outside of the workplace.
The worse thing is, left leaning people say offensive things all the time even at work, and are rarely fired. I try to avoid companies who enforce PC selective speech but they almost all do today.
Most every major figure in American history that was white were "white nationalists" race was the very foundation of American history for most of its history. I highly doubt she is a racist but who cares about losing a crappy job like that. The phillies are awful and that crowd is the bottom of the human barrel
Of course your claim is besides the point. Any stadium in the country that houses a MLB team would of put pressure for any employee identifying as a white nationalist be terminated.
My objection is losing her job because of her beliefs expressed outside of her workplace or hours. I find her beliefs an abomination but I will defend her right to express them.
I defend her rights against her employer. The only thing an employer should be concerned with is what an employee does on the job. An employee is not hired for 24/7/365.
I agree with you there but progressive liberals have resorted to infringing free speech through the private sector making and end-run around the concept and protections of free speech. It was a bad precedent set when people stated getting fired for merely free, political speech outside of the workplace.
The worse thing is, left leaning people say offensive things all the time even at work, and are rarely fired. I try to avoid companies who enforce PC selective speech but they almost all do today.
I don't agree with you that this is a liberal vs conservative issue.
At-Will employment allows an employee to be fired for almost anything as long as it doesn't violate civil rights laws (list of them as following link). That's right... they can fire you for not liking how you look, smell, dress, act, whatever.. heck they can fire just for not liking you. Just as long as they don't violate one of any Civil Rights laws (in reality, it is difficult to prove these too...)
There have been plenty of people getting fired for their political views from both left and right leaning companies. While I think firing her for her views expressed outside of work is wrong... I don't believe there is anything illegal about it. Certainly both "sides" do it.
Again I find her views horrible.. no sympathy from me... but there has to be a middle ground between "At-Will" versus "Free speech".
My objection is losing her job because of her beliefs expressed outside of her workplace or hours. I find her beliefs an abomination but I will defend her right to express them.
I defend her rights against her employer. The only thing an employer should be concerned with is what an employee does on the job. An employee is not hired for 24/7/365.
Even though her employer was a food vendor. It was a food vendor working in conjunction with or selected by an MLB organization. Racism is not tolerated in the wonderful world of sports at any capacity, free speech or not.
I don't agree with you that this is a liberal vs conservative issue.
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I said progressive which is not conservative and is left/liberal by default. Of course you wouldn't agree being a progressive and pro-immigration. People use to not get fired for things they said at the work place let alone outside of it. Free speech use to be an accepted concept in private life and the private sector too. PC speech was an anti-free speech agenda pushed by the left.
The whole concept that an American can't say that America should maintain its demographic or even to say they want to live with their own identity group without being completely demonized and ostracized is entirely a mostly post 1960 progressive concept.
Even though her employer was a food vendor. It was a food vendor working in conjunction with or selected by an MLB organization. Racism is not tolerated in the wonderful world of sports at any capacity, free speech or not.
Sure it is. If you're black or not white you can say un-American and racist things in sports. But if you are white and just want to live among other whites then you are purged . That just reinforces why people see 'diversity' as harmful to their well being and freedom.
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. That just reinforces why people see 'diversity' as harmful to their well being and freedom.
