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Old 12-10-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: SE PA via North jerz
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Over half of the Hispanic/Latino population in the United States, self identifies as "white" when asked about race on government forms ex US census. However 60-70% are mixed race.
For example:
52% of Mexican Americans self identify as "white", but only 10% of Mexico itself identifies as white. It said that the ancestry of the average Mexican (both in Mexico and the US) is 56% Native American, 42% European, 1% African, 1% Asian. The average Mexican is mestizo, tho in the eastern US most tend be straight up Native American. Similarly Salvadoran Americans and Guatemalan Americans (and most others with origins in northern Central America) tend to be mostly mestizo.

Caribbean Hispanics
53% of Stateside Puerto Ricans self identify as white (comparatively 75% of Puerto Rico itself identifies as such, but has a lot to do with historical laws Puerto Rico, one of which is basically the exact opposite of the US one drop rule, which probably reflects the modern view of race on the island). Despite this, many Puerto Rican families been in the US for decades, and still many americanized mulatto Puerto Ricans identify as white surprisingly, even some who grow up in "the hood". Despite a majority identifying as white, only 25% are actually fully white racially. The ancestry of the average Puerto Rican is about 61% white European/North African, 24% black West African, and 15% Native American. The average Puerto Rican is a "white leaning mulatto/tri-racial", tho they can range from an olive complected white person to a brown skinned black person.

85% of Cuban Americans identify as white, tho this is entirely different from most other Hispanic groups, for a large period of time the majority people leaving Cuba during Castro were white, as they had the wealth and permission to do so. However Cuba, like DR and PR, is dominated by mulattos, despite not being reflected that in its emigrant community.

29% of Dominican Americans self identify as white, compared to 6-16% (depending on source) of Dominican Republic itself. The ancestry of the average Dominican (both in DR and US) is 53% white European, 39% black African, and 8% Native American. Dominicans tend to be mulatto, but also range from black to white.

Smaller groups originating from southern Central America and northern South America (like Panama and Colombia) tend to be diverse with white, blacks, native americans, and multiracials. Andean countries like Peru, tend to be mostly Native American. Only Argentina is mostly white.

The vast majority of "non-hispanic white americans" are 90% white genetically, very few Hispanics reflect that, 95% of US Hispanic have Large amounts of African and/or Native American DNA in their blood. So why do mixed race Hispanics in the United States identify as white, when most of American society dont consider them (a racially mulatto/mestizo ethnically hispanic person) white? If you were raised amongst whites that's cool, but doesn't mean you have to self identify as such. And contrary to any Hispanic belief, identifying as white on forms will Not help you in the long run. Most of US society (white Americans and black americans ) view mulatto Puerto ricans and Dominicans as black (due to the one drop rule) or mixed. Most of US society views mestizo mexicans as Native American or mixed. Not only racially, but socioeconomically Hispanics are far more in line with working class blacks and immigrant asians, then whites, they face the same social problems. US society doesn't see them as white in any way.

So why do most US Hispanics (most of whom are mixed) self identify as white (especially on government forms), when the rest of the country thinks otherwise?

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Old 12-10-2016, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkLoFan View Post
Over half of the Hispanic/Latino population in the United States, self identifies as "white" when asked about race on government forms ex US census. However 60-70% are mixed race.
For example:
52% of Mexican Americans self identify as "white", but only 10% of Mexico itself identifies as white. It said that the ancestry of the average Mexican (both in Mexico and the US) is 56% Native American, 42% European, 1% African, 1% Asian. The average Mexican is mestizo, tho in the eastern US most tend be straight up Native American. Similarly Salvadoran Americans and Guatemalan Americans (and most others with origins in northern Central America) tend to be mostly mestizo.

Caribbean Hispanics
53% of Stateside Puerto Ricans self identify as white (comparatively 75% of Puerto Rico itself identifies as such, but has a lot to do with historical laws Puerto Rico, one of which is basically the exact opposite of the US one drop rule, which probably reflects the modern view of race on the island). Despite a large majority identifying as white, only 25% are actually fully white racially. The ancestry of the average Puerto Rican is about 61% white European/North African, 24% black West African, and 15% Native American. The average Puerto Rican is a "white leaning mulatto/tri-racial", tho they can range from an olive complected white person to a brown skinned black person.

85% of Cuban Americans identify as white, tho this is entirely different from most other Hispanic groups, for a large period of time the majority people leaving Cuba during Castro were white, as they had the wealth and permission to do so. However Cuba, like DR and PR, is dominated by mulattos, despite not being reflected that in its emigrant community.

29% of Dominican Americans self identify as white, compared to 6-16% (depending on source) of Dominican Republic itself. The ancestry of the average Dominican (both in DR and US) is 53% white European, 39% black African, and 8% Native American. Dominicans tend to be mulatto, but also range from black to white.

Smaller groups originating from southern Central America and northern South America (like Panama and Colombia) tend to be diverse with white, blacks, native americans, and multiracials. Andean countries like Peru, tend to be mostly Native American. Only Argentina is mostly white.

So why do mixed race Hispanics in the United States identify as white, when most of American society dont consider them (a racially mulatto/mestizo ethnically hispanic person) white? If you were raised amongst whites that's cool, but doesn't mean you have to self identify as such. And contrary to any Hispanic belief, identifying as white on forms will Not help you in the long run. Most of US society (white Americans and black americans ) view mulatto Puerto ricans and Dominicans as black (due to the one drop rule) or mixed. Most of US society views mestizo mexicans as Native American or mixed. Not only racially, but socioeconomically Hispanics are far more in line with working class blacks and immigrant asians, then whites, they face the same social problems. US society doesn't see them as white in any way.

So why do most US Hispanics (most of whom are mixed) self identify as white (especially on government forms), when the rest of the country thinks otherwise?
Latin-American cultures define white different than the U.S. census or "U.S. Anglo culture". The census is nothing more than a guideline people can self identify how they choose. Most Latin Americans don't identify with the Amerindian or African part of their DNA they identify with the Spaniard etc. culture inherited from their fore-fathers.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Because they can?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Originally Posted by DarkLoFan View Post
Over half of the Hispanic/Latino population in the United States, self identifies as "white" when asked about race on government forms ex US census. However 60-70% are mixed race
Simply because Hispanic, is not a race, but an origin. That makes Hispanics, white.

Quote:
Census forms now have two questions about race and Hispanic origin. The first asks people whether they are of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin, and states that “Hispanic origins are not races.” A second question asks, “What is this person’s race?” and includes a list of options with checkboxes and write-in spaces. The U.S. government defines Hispanic as an ethnicity, not a race.
Census considers new approach to asking about race
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So why do most US Hispanics (most of whom are mixed) self identify as white (especially on government forms), when the rest of the country thinks otherwise?
"The rest of the country thinks otherwise?"
Says who? The bigger question is, why does this bother you so much?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: H-town, TX.
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Because they can?
Truth. Besides, I don't look anything like Guac bowl salesman's midget gremlin...wife?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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Race is socially constructed so people can identify as anything they want. There is no definition of "white".
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Hey, if you're white, you have the might and the right.
If you're white, you can claim oppression due to PC and people will feel sorry for you.
Try doing that if you're black.
Nobody's ever been pulled over by the police for DWW. (Driving While White)
If you're white the police will let you reach into the glove box for your registration and insurance card without shooting you.
Whites have all the advantages in this country. They automatically get the best schools, the best jobs and the best salaries.
If given a choice, everyone would be white, because of all the automatic perks.
Didn't you know? Jesus was white.
Santa Claus is white.
Angels are white.
Barbie is white.
Nobody ever calls you a Thug if you're white.
The president of the United States is supposed to always be white.(see, 8 years of racial division)
If someone gives you a choice of races, you bet your booty that you put down white, if you live in America.

Where the hell you been all your life. You put out a full page analysis and missed the most obvious reasons.

Last edited by mohawkx; 12-10-2016 at 07:37 PM..
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Who really cares?


If the Zoe Saldana's, George Lopez's, Selena Gomez's, and Sammy Sosa's of the Latin world call themselves "white" why does it matter to anyone else?


Are you guys gonna start "one drop" ruling Hispanics now too?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Who really cares?


If the Zoe Saldana's, George Lopez's, Selena Gomez's, and Sammy Sosa's of the Latin world call themselves "white" why does it matter to anyone else?
It matters to white nationalists who now run the country and want to keep the nation as pure as possible.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Race is socially constructed so people can identify as anything they want. There is no definition of "white".
Shhh...these folks don't know this.
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