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Old 12-23-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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Native is someone originating from a certain place and America is the name of the two American continents (North and South).. Native Americans were native to North America prior to Europeans colonizing it and creating a country.. Hence the title... North America was North America well before 13 British colonies banned together...

Do they not teach history in school anymore?


"The naming of the Americas, or America occurred shortly after Christopher Columbus's voyage to the Americas in 1492. It is generally accepted that the name derives from Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer, who explored the new continents in the following years."
They can't keep up with the teaching of history. Every year is history making and there is only so much time to spend on it. My son majored in history and knows all of this. But that's his field.

 
Old 12-23-2016, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I'm confused by the term "Native American" because the tribes scattered all around this country were not "American" to begin with, but became American once European settlers created America as we know it.


So in fact, it is the founding Europeans and their ancestors who should be labeled "Native Americans."


Wouldn't "Native Peoples" be more accurate?
The title, "First Nation" seems most correct to me and is the one that many of that ethnic group use to describe themselves. Of course, that is assuming that some of the legends about Chinese, Polynesian and even Aryans from Europe coming here first, are not correct. That suggestion would probably not be politically-correct among First Nation people.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 09:22 PM
 
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New Mexico has quite a few families that have been there since the 1600's; it's certainly possible. They came directly from Spain, so yes, they're immigrant familes; descended from European immigrants.
That's where I'm from and Spanish is my heritage.


It's funny, people in the US usually can't place us. We're taller than Mexicans and Mexican/Americans with lighter skin, and many of us are not fluent in Spanish. But we do have a signature accent or "moch" (New Mexican accent)
 
Old 12-23-2016, 10:15 PM
 
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In the case of Spain and Portugal, the settlers didn't abide by their sponsoring governments' agreement with other nations, but the British, French and Dutch did. This is not an "argument" or theory, this is legal history, as taught in law schools across the country, and in history of Indian affairs courses in colleges. It's historical fact, not a matter of opinion.

Such nonsense. As we all know, or should know, the state of Humanities teaching in colleges is completely dominated by political correctness, leftism, collectivism, and hatred of competence and achievement in general, and Capitalism and Western culture in particular. Indian affairs studies? Poppycock and boulderdash. Same as Women's studies. A cesspool of emotionalism and man-hatred.


In fact, if something is taught in an American college, it is automatically suspect. And needs, shall we say, extreme vetting.


So historical fact, histschmorical fact:


https://www.reference.com/history/di...485591a553fd56#


Native Americans, Treatment of (Spain Vs. England) (Issue) - Dictionary definition of Native Americans, Treatment of (Spain Vs. England) (Issue) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary


https://owlcation.com/humanities/Whe...opean-Settlers


Background Essay - Native Americans: Interactions at the Time of Settlement - Resources at Primary Source, Inc.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 10:39 PM
 
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Such nonsense. As we all know, or should know, the state of Humanities teaching in colleges is completely dominated by political correctness, leftism, collectivism, and hatred of competence and achievement in general, and Capitalism and Western culture in particular. Indian affairs studies? Poppycock and boulderdash. Same as Women's studies. A cesspool of emotionalism and man-hatred.
Most far right conservatives come from lower income families without a formal education. Most of these residents cannot gain admission into these universities. The acceptance rate and academic standards are too high for them to be even considered. If you examine standardized test scores, the most conservative areas of the country have the lowest scores. Also, if you examine their public school school acceptance rates and entrance statistics, they are much lower when compared to liberal areas.

It is essentially sour grapes. Your people can't get into these schools so they try to imply that they wouldn't want to attend them anyway. Therefore you attempt to minimize them by accusing them of politically correct and leftist as if what they teach is not factual or relevant.

It's no different than what radical Islamic clerics do when they label our education as being "westernized"

If your people had the talent, culture and drive to be able to attend one of these prestigious schools, they would definitely attend them. But they can't so they demonize them and talk up Bob Jones and Liberty University. You are not fooling anyone when you attempt to minimize Harvard and other Ivy League schools as being "politically correct"
 
Old 12-23-2016, 10:44 PM
 
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Such nonsense. As we all know, or should know, the state of Humanities teaching in colleges is completely dominated by political correctness, leftism, collectivism, and hatred of competence and achievement in general, and Capitalism and Western culture in particular. Indian affairs studies? Poppycock and boulderdash. Same as Women's studies. A cesspool of emotionalism and man-hatred.


In fact, if something is taught in an American college, it is automatically suspect. And needs, shall we say, extreme vetting.
I'm a fiscally conservative republican and I can say with utmost accuracy that when you say "As we all know", you really mean, "As one with most ignorance feels".

Maybe you went to a low quality college or never attended. I can't say for sure. But the quality of education one receives is directly related to the quality of institution one attends.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 11:22 PM
 
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I'm a fiscally conservative republican and I can say with utmost accuracy that when you say "As we all know", you really mean, "As one with most ignorance feels".

Maybe you went to a low quality college or never attended. I can't say for sure. But the quality of education one receives is directly related to the quality of institution one attends.

"Utmost accuracy"... Wow, that's a whole lot of accuracy.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/op...ance.html?_r=0


"I can say with reasonable certitude"...


http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/...ofessor-afraid


"Look, I am pretty damned sure that"...


At Harvard, Leftist Professors Inspire Leftist Students to “Rebel” | Power Line


"Perhaps I know what I am talking about, or perhaps not. But I am fiscally conservative"...


https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...d-further-left


"Who can be certain of anything? Life isn't black and white, it's 50 shades of gray..."


Survey shocker: Liberal profs admit they'd discriminate against conservatives in hiring, advancement - Washington Times


Maybe the dopey real estate agent is on to something and I should check my premises...

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Old 12-23-2016, 11:36 PM
 
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Most far right conservatives come from lower income families without a formal education. Most of these residents cannot gain admission into these universities. The acceptance rate and academic standards are too high for them to be even considered. If you examine standardized test scores, the most conservative areas of the country have the lowest scores. Also, if you examine their public school school acceptance rates and entrance statistics, they are much lower when compared to liberal areas.

It is essentially sour grapes. Your people can't get into these schools so they try to imply that they wouldn't want to attend them anyway. Therefore you attempt to minimize them by accusing them of politically correct and leftist as if what they teach is not factual or relevant.

It's no different than what radical Islamic clerics do when they label our education as being "westernized"

If your people had the talent, culture and drive to be able to attend one of these prestigious schools, they would definitely attend them. But they can't so they demonize them and talk up Bob Jones and Liberty University. You are not fooling anyone when you attempt to minimize Harvard and other Ivy League schools as being "politically correct"

OK, is this your A-List satire? Because I don't like wasting time going against the B-Roll.


I'm just wondering why you think I would "talk up" Bob Jones University. Students who attend BJU seek a "Christian" education. Why would you think I advocate an institution that openly advocates mysticism as opposed to Reason. If I am condemning Islamism as a primitive mystical vestige of the Dark Ages, as I have, over and over, why on Earth would you think I entertain the inane mysticism of a competing faith?


Liberty University? Seriously? Odd. Very odd. I can only assume that you conclude that I am a Christian Fundamentalist instead of a stark raving atheist.


So, your assignment, if you want to avoid Summer School, is to re-smear me utilizing the correct doctrine.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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You are technically correct, but it still does not seem to bother Indians/Native Americans. It may annoy or bemuse Indian-Americans, but I am not sure.

There are other such misnomers.

In New York City, Puerto Ricans are still commonly referred to as "The Spanish." Inaccurate but benign.

Pennsylvania Dutch is a mispronunciation of Deutsch as in German.

And I assume Cajuns are called as such because Southerners could not spit out Acadian.


In the past Indians from India were actually called Hindu's,but everyone in India isn't Hindu,which is a religion anyway and not an ethnicity.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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New Mexico has quite a few families that have been there since the 1600's; it's certainly possible. They came directly from Spain, so yes, they're immigrant familes; descended from European immigrants.
Yeah, well i don't think that poster is from New Mexico. Seems like he's a regular ol' white dude.
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