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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
That's what I don't understand. Why are all the American first folks carrying on about this. How is this in our national interest?
Because they're perfectly willing to turn over every rock looking for lame excuses to make more baseless allegations about Obama. Or they have some delusion about allowing the use of some ancient talk of 'the rapture' to base US foreign policy on.
Because they're perfectly willing to turn over every rock looking for lame excuses to make more baseless allegations about Obama. Or they have some delusion about allowing the use of some ancient talk of 'the rapture' to base US foreign policy on.
Surely, we are not making foreign policy decisions, sending $10 million/day in aid to Israel, and pissing off the Arab world over personal grudges and some religious hocus pocus.
How does supporting Israel benefit the U.S.? I'm serious.
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Surely, there must be more to it than this.
Have you not followed the news the past 8 years when people would seemingly blame the weather on Obama? No, I don't believe there must be more and I don't believe there is any more.
Fourteen countries voted to sanction Israel and the 'Israel can do no wrong' crowd is singing the blues because the US refused to contradict 14 other countries.
Israel is building settlements on occupied territories, which is something they have been doing on and off for decades. It is against international law, and US stance has been to oppose the settlement expansion
Wish the US would apply that same standard to our own country and oppose the illegal immigrants' settlements in the US.
Land seized in a war and resettled by Israelis. Constant criticism in the Arab world. Basically the settlers are the potential sacrificial lambs of the Israeli government. If the Arabs get really riled up and try to take it back by force the Israelis can cry invasion and expect the US government to step in and intervene militarily to destroy their arch enemies.
Because they're perfectly willing to turn over every rock looking for lame excuses to make more baseless allegations about Obama. Or they have some delusion about allowing the use of some ancient talk of 'the rapture' to base US foreign policy on.
While the other side uses "feed the poor" instead they make people poor. The squatters need to squat in Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
Israel has two possible outcomes with their policy towards the Palestinians:
(1) It becomes like South Africa was, an apartheid state in which the minority (the Jews) suppress and rule the majority (the Palestinians). That is not a good situation as it is bound to result in civil war and collapse. This is the so-called "one state" solution. By definition, Israel would no longer be a democracy.
(2) Israel and the Palestinians agree to form two nations out of the Israel/West Bank/Gaza area. This is the "two state" solution. There is a lot of problems with getting that done.
Extreme right wingers in Israel want the one-state solution and have been forcing it to happen by building settlements on Palestinian land. It will be a disaster for Israel in the long run and Obama sees that. He took the bold move of empowering the moderates in Israel who want a two state solution.
Obama didn't stab Israel in the back but he certainly stabbed the right wing Likud party right in the heart.
I would also like to add that in building satellite Israeli settlements..giving them roads..but isolating Palestinians on their own land so they have no way to travel within their own land..has created "MILITANT" mindsets.
Thus have actually created is self sustaining "Terror" network right next door. Israel has by their actions over the decades which has escalated since B. N. came into office is using the tried and try tactic.." Tail Wagging the Dog" atmosphere... Disingenuous periodic stoppage of building these thousands of satellite towns..and B.N. expects the used, abused occupied people to trust them is ridiculous on it's face.
This is precisely WHY peace accord MUST be handled by some 3rd party group.. NOT unilateral between the two sides. The far too long history between the Israel/Palestinian have TRUST ISSUES and neither side could ever come to agreement. Past Accords have been made..and Israel has violated them constantly.. UN Resolution is just that however..BUT it sure did point out the problem crystal clearly to the World to understand.
I have nothing against the Jewish people at all..but there's been to many abuses of one accord after another that as Kerry said today to ignore the fact 2 STATE solution is not only at risk..BUT on "Life Support" as he spoke. Meanwhile, BO supported Israel's right to protect itself/Iron Dome/Billions and Billions of $$ .. BUT apparently that's not good enough for B. N. ..He wants total support for him to abuse his occupied neighbours!! Enough is enough.. Meanwhile, Hamas must be also condemned and Palestinian Government MUST condemn their their terroristic actions..NOT reward them too!! 2 way street for condemnation MUST be repeated constantly by both sides.. But fanning flames of terrorism ( by both sides) certainly isn't ever going to have a positive outcome for either side!!
That's what I don't understand. Why are all the American first folks carrying on about this. How is this in our national interest?
IMO, it's more the Jesus-land proponents who are carrying on about this. Some of the biblical preconditions for the End Times is an Israel under Jewish control and a Third Temple in Jerusalem built on top of a demolished Dome of the Rock, a sacred shrine almost as important to people of the Muslim faith as the Great Mosque of Mecca.
But I also think the America First folks are along for one more chance at O-Bashing before he leaves office in three weeks.
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